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		<title>By: Catrina</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Catrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Catrina</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>Catrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Span inbox at 263

Please feel free to direct any additional comments you have to the following thread:

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<p>Please feel free to direct any additional comments you have to the following thread:</p>
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		<title>By: Spam inbox</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>Spam inbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However, if you or anyone is interested in funding the legal, administrative and technical framework that would enable an alternative scenario I’d be interested in hearing about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ok, (sheesh, testy!) ... simply state this.

The Admin will not disclose anybodys personal information, IP&#039;s, emails etc under any circumstance unless compeled to do so by legal requirment or in the case of extreme bastardness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, if you or anyone is interested in funding the legal, administrative and technical framework that would enable an alternative scenario I’d be interested in hearing about it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, (sheesh, testy!) &#8230; simply state this.</p>
<p>The Admin will not disclose anybodys personal information, IP&#8217;s, emails etc under any circumstance unless compeled to do so by legal requirment or in the case of extreme bastardness</p>
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		<title>By: Catrina</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>Catrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spam inbox at 261

To summaries - there are no guarantees, no qualifications, no presumptions, and no commitments. However, if you or anyone is interested in funding the legal, administrative and technical framework that would enable an alternative scenario I&#039;d be interested in hearing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spam inbox at 261</p>
<p>To summaries &#8211; there are no guarantees, no qualifications, no presumptions, and no commitments. However, if you or anyone is interested in funding the legal, administrative and technical framework that would enable an alternative scenario I&#8217;d be interested in hearing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Spam inbox</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Spam inbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if somebody decides to rip into you or Chris B or &quot;others&quot; it&#039;s not out of the question that you guys will retaliate by disclosing their IP ?. Of course the IP&#039;s email addies etc are known to the Admins/hosting agencies etc, thats a given, but usually there is a understanding that these are not disclosed unless forced by a legal requirement. But what your saying is well, it might happen, we&#039;ll see how we feel about it at the time?.

I ask because in my experience no matter what good intentions (or hopes) a site has when it&#039;s first setup, (I&#039;ve Admined a few in the past)  flaming etc can/does/will happen (its part of the whole scene) and it&#039;s good to know if you might well be &quot;outed&quot; based on a whimsy by the admin?.

Not trying to rain on your parade here, but it&#039;s a good thing to get out in the open right from the start</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if somebody decides to rip into you or Chris B or &#8220;others&#8221; it&#8217;s not out of the question that you guys will retaliate by disclosing their IP ?. Of course the IP&#8217;s email addies etc are known to the Admins/hosting agencies etc, thats a given, but usually there is a understanding that these are not disclosed unless forced by a legal requirement. But what your saying is well, it might happen, we&#8217;ll see how we feel about it at the time?.</p>
<p>I ask because in my experience no matter what good intentions (or hopes) a site has when it&#8217;s first setup, (I&#8217;ve Admined a few in the past)  flaming etc can/does/will happen (its part of the whole scene) and it&#8217;s good to know if you might well be &#8220;outed&#8221; based on a whimsy by the admin?.</p>
<p>Not trying to rain on your parade here, but it&#8217;s a good thing to get out in the open right from the start</p>
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		<title>By: Catrina</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Catrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spam inbox at 259

&lt;blockquote&gt;What is your charter when it comes to divulging I.P’s (and there fore their identities?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Simply stated - there are no guarantees.

This site has been established primarily to maintain a social community and membership of that community is completely open (a will probably remain that way unless we encounter problems with spam posting).  At this time I am the sole administrator, however, I expect that will change over time.  Chris B has also expressed his willingness to assist in this role and hopefully we will locate another identity within the week.  What that means is that information concerning identity (email addresses and IP addresses) will become available to at least a small number of participants without any formal vetting process (after all, who am I, who is Chris, who is the yet unidentified third person?), together with management and technical staff within the Wordpress organization (as host service providers).

There are also no policies agreed to or published by this community related to disclosure or non-disclosure of privacy information.  In effect - anyone who posts here does so at their own risk.

/Catrina</description>
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<blockquote><p>What is your charter when it comes to divulging I.P’s (and there fore their identities?)</p></blockquote>
<p>Simply stated &#8211; there are no guarantees.</p>
<p>This site has been established primarily to maintain a social community and membership of that community is completely open (a will probably remain that way unless we encounter problems with spam posting).  At this time I am the sole administrator, however, I expect that will change over time.  Chris B has also expressed his willingness to assist in this role and hopefully we will locate another identity within the week.  What that means is that information concerning identity (email addresses and IP addresses) will become available to at least a small number of participants without any formal vetting process (after all, who am I, who is Chris, who is the yet unidentified third person?), together with management and technical staff within the Wordpress organization (as host service providers).</p>
<p>There are also no policies agreed to or published by this community related to disclosure or non-disclosure of privacy information.  In effect &#8211; anyone who posts here does so at their own risk.</p>
<p>/Catrina</p>
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		<title>By: Spam inbox</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Spam inbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part time listener, first time caller

From what I understand you guys all hate ESJ, (probably with good reason, don&#039;t know, don&#039;t really care) but it got me thinking

Now, this is a honest and I think, fair question. Is this because he/she has said that he (lets just say a HE for now) wont be attending because he has said as much or is it because by doing so his veil of anonymity will be lifted by way of IP disclosure?  On what grounds are you are willing to disclose his or anybody else’s IP if you don’t like them?. Perhaps even if threatened by somebody with legal things because they were pissed off about something somebody posted? (a good  flame for example)

What is your charter when it comes to divulging I.P’s (and there fore their identities?)


Is probably quite an important thing for some, non-discloser that is

spam-in-a-box</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part time listener, first time caller</p>
<p>From what I understand you guys all hate ESJ, (probably with good reason, don&#8217;t know, don&#8217;t really care) but it got me thinking</p>
<p>Now, this is a honest and I think, fair question. Is this because he/she has said that he (lets just say a HE for now) wont be attending because he has said as much or is it because by doing so his veil of anonymity will be lifted by way of IP disclosure?  On what grounds are you are willing to disclose his or anybody else’s IP if you don’t like them?. Perhaps even if threatened by somebody with legal things because they were pissed off about something somebody posted? (a good  flame for example)</p>
<p>What is your charter when it comes to divulging I.P’s (and there fore their identities?)</p>
<p>Is probably quite an important thing for some, non-discloser that is</p>
<p>spam-in-a-box</p>
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		<title>By: Catrina</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Catrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EC at 254
Freedom of speech rules - your posts are despammed.</description>
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Freedom of speech rules &#8211; your posts are despammed.</p>
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		<title>By: Enemy Combatant</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Enemy Combatant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirri at 250, Bomb-Bomb&#039;s a dead-set, walk-up-start, card-carrying moron. Beat Boy Bill&#039;s work sprang to mind. Unfortunately the spaminator is on my case with links tonight so here&#039;s the quote in toto.

&quot;We have a new type of rule now. Not one-man rule, or rule of aristocracy or plutocracy, but of small groups elevated to positions of absolute power by random pressures and subject to political and economic factors that leave little room for decision.

They are representatives of abstract forces who have reached power through surrender of self. The iron-willed dictator is a thing of past.

There will be no more Stalins, no more Hitlers.

The rulers of this most insecure of all worlds are rulers by accident. Inept, frightened pilots at the controls of a vast machine they cannot understand, calling in experts to tell them which buttons to push.&quot;

(And which pills to pop too, apparently.)

—William S. Burroughs, “No More Stalins, No More Hitlers,” from Dead City Radio, Island Records, 1990; and Interzone, Viking Books, 1989.

Also, Ken at Road to Surfdom has an excellent thread on trolls and trolling. It certainly provides a few chortles about an erstwhile serial pest of our acquaintance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirri at 250, Bomb-Bomb&#8217;s a dead-set, walk-up-start, card-carrying moron. Beat Boy Bill&#8217;s work sprang to mind. Unfortunately the spaminator is on my case with links tonight so here&#8217;s the quote in toto.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have a new type of rule now. Not one-man rule, or rule of aristocracy or plutocracy, but of small groups elevated to positions of absolute power by random pressures and subject to political and economic factors that leave little room for decision.</p>
<p>They are representatives of abstract forces who have reached power through surrender of self. The iron-willed dictator is a thing of past.</p>
<p>There will be no more Stalins, no more Hitlers.</p>
<p>The rulers of this most insecure of all worlds are rulers by accident. Inept, frightened pilots at the controls of a vast machine they cannot understand, calling in experts to tell them which buttons to push.&#8221;</p>
<p>(And which pills to pop too, apparently.)</p>
<p>—William S. Burroughs, “No More Stalins, No More Hitlers,” from Dead City Radio, Island Records, 1990; and Interzone, Viking Books, 1989.</p>
<p>Also, Ken at Road to Surfdom has an excellent thread on trolls and trolling. It certainly provides a few chortles about an erstwhile serial pest of our acquaintance.</p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/07/sex-drugs-and-insurance/comment-page-3/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. hope things are going better for you than anticipated.

As they say,&quot;Illegitimi non carborundum&quot; or some such :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. hope things are going better for you than anticipated.</p>
<p>As they say,&#8221;Illegitimi non carborundum&#8221; or some such <img src='http://politic.osm.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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