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		<title>By: Catrina</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/11/censorship-by-chrisb/comment-page-17/#comment-24556</link>
		<dc:creator>Catrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>time for a new thread

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://politic.osm.net/2008/12/kissing-our-arses-goodbye/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kissing our arses goodbye?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>time for a new thread</p>
<p><b><a href="http://politic.osm.net/2008/12/kissing-our-arses-goodbye/" rel="nofollow">Kissing our arses goodbye?</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: David Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just thinking of the doom and gloom regarding the surging oil price over the last couple of years: &#039;the end, the end,&#039; was the cry. It was just another bubble, though. Pity. We need oil to be expensive, and there was some hope it would be. Not now, though. At least the global financial crisis will slow emissions ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just thinking of the doom and gloom regarding the surging oil price over the last couple of years: &#8216;the end, the end,&#8217; was the cry. It was just another bubble, though. Pity. We need oil to be expensive, and there was some hope it would be. Not now, though. At least the global financial crisis will slow emissions &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way: I am not arguing that we should do nothing about climate change. It is going to be bad for the world. What I am arguing is that effectively we will do nothing about climate change over the next 40 years and that then the problem will effectively be bypassed via technology.

Too late for many species, though. And bad luck, third world. But we&#039;ll be okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way: I am not arguing that we should do nothing about climate change. It is going to be bad for the world. What I am arguing is that effectively we will do nothing about climate change over the next 40 years and that then the problem will effectively be bypassed via technology.</p>
<p>Too late for many species, though. And bad luck, third world. But we&#8217;ll be okay.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris B,

If necessary, the border patrols would stop them. Fear will produce violence, and our ability to detect boats and deal with them violently will be exponentially increased over the next 20 to 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris B,</p>
<p>If necessary, the border patrols would stop them. Fear will produce violence, and our ability to detect boats and deal with them violently will be exponentially increased over the next 20 to 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirribilli Removals,

We can replace bees with microbots if necessary. We are on the verge of having that technology now. Other solutions are available, too.

With a crash in biodiversity in Australia, there will be less competition for water from plants and animals and fewer areas worth protecting from an environmental perspective. Thus, we could farm and mine the shit out of them even if they were relatively marginal.

Humans are not immune to big environmental changes. But we are much better equipped than any other species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirribilli Removals,</p>
<p>We can replace bees with microbots if necessary. We are on the verge of having that technology now. Other solutions are available, too.</p>
<p>With a crash in biodiversity in Australia, there will be less competition for water from plants and animals and fewer areas worth protecting from an environmental perspective. Thus, we could farm and mine the shit out of them even if they were relatively marginal.</p>
<p>Humans are not immune to big environmental changes. But we are much better equipped than any other species.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1637 David Gould  I agree with what you say about human ingenuity. I suspect that we would be flooded with thousands and thousands of refugees that no border patrols will stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1637 David Gould  I agree with what you say about human ingenuity. I suspect that we would be flooded with thousands and thousands of refugees that no border patrols will stop.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gould</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2008/11/censorship-by-chrisb/comment-page-17/#comment-24550</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirribili Removals,

The clathrate gun stuff, yes. But even if that occurred, as disastrous as it would be, it would not happen for about 50 years or so under the worst climate change predictions over that period. And by then our carbon emissions will be effectively zero.

Methane also has such a short time in the air compared to carbon that it would be only a problem for 20 years or so. And again, technology would save the wealthy west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirribili Removals,</p>
<p>The clathrate gun stuff, yes. But even if that occurred, as disastrous as it would be, it would not happen for about 50 years or so under the worst climate change predictions over that period. And by then our carbon emissions will be effectively zero.</p>
<p>Methane also has such a short time in the air compared to carbon that it would be only a problem for 20 years or so. And again, technology would save the wealthy west.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirribilli Removals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirribilli Removals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1616
David Gould

Don&#039;t be too sure about that DG. If we lose a third of our Australian biodiversity, then how sustainable will this fragile continent be for long term human habitation?

Sure, we can &#039;hang on&#039; with massive extinctions worldwide, but we may just find it impossible to support ourselves in such huge numbers. It&#039;s the stuff that can disappear which people don&#039;t notice that can really make it VERY hard for us. (Try and imagine the planet without bees for example! Or, the more probable loss of ocean biodiversity with acidification. No crustaceans will cope well, and the whole food chain depends on them.)

This problem is more than just about us, and if we view it that way then the imperative to act is that much greater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1616<br />
David Gould</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be too sure about that DG. If we lose a third of our Australian biodiversity, then how sustainable will this fragile continent be for long term human habitation?</p>
<p>Sure, we can &#8216;hang on&#8217; with massive extinctions worldwide, but we may just find it impossible to support ourselves in such huge numbers. It&#8217;s the stuff that can disappear which people don&#8217;t notice that can really make it VERY hard for us. (Try and imagine the planet without bees for example! Or, the more probable loss of ocean biodiversity with acidification. No crustaceans will cope well, and the whole food chain depends on them.)</p>
<p>This problem is more than just about us, and if we view it that way then the imperative to act is that much greater.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jen,

But those who put us on the verge of collapse are also reducing the problem to a set of numbers. Remember the Club of Rome predictions? Remember the book &#039;The Population Bomb&#039;? Statistics were used to &#039;prove&#039; that the world was on the verge of a disastrous population collapse. 

The problem is, these statistical predictions did not take into account many other factors, the main one being human ingenuity. The speed of technological advance in the last 40 years has been absolutely unprecedented. And we have pushed much further in the last 20 years than we have in the last 2000 in many, many areas.

They also do not take into account the fact that human socieities can and do act rapidly to changing circumstance (by &#039;rapidly&#039; I mean within one generation).

All such predictions have been proven wrong.

As to it being a possible reality, sure. But it is an extremely unlikely possible reality - so extremely unlikely that it is as worth bothering about as the notion that we are living in the end times with an eternity in Hell looming down upon us.

This is why I say that we in the west have nothing really to worry about beyond a short-term rise in energy prices (assuming that we do not care about animals or those in the third world).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jen,</p>
<p>But those who put us on the verge of collapse are also reducing the problem to a set of numbers. Remember the Club of Rome predictions? Remember the book &#8216;The Population Bomb&#8217;? Statistics were used to &#8216;prove&#8217; that the world was on the verge of a disastrous population collapse. </p>
<p>The problem is, these statistical predictions did not take into account many other factors, the main one being human ingenuity. The speed of technological advance in the last 40 years has been absolutely unprecedented. And we have pushed much further in the last 20 years than we have in the last 2000 in many, many areas.</p>
<p>They also do not take into account the fact that human socieities can and do act rapidly to changing circumstance (by &#8216;rapidly&#8217; I mean within one generation).</p>
<p>All such predictions have been proven wrong.</p>
<p>As to it being a possible reality, sure. But it is an extremely unlikely possible reality &#8211; so extremely unlikely that it is as worth bothering about as the notion that we are living in the end times with an eternity in Hell looming down upon us.</p>
<p>This is why I say that we in the west have nothing really to worry about beyond a short-term rise in energy prices (assuming that we do not care about animals or those in the third world).</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think David was just trying to show what was required. Not saying it should/would happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think David was just trying to show what was required. Not saying it should/would happen.</p>
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