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		<title>By: Catrina</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39074</link>
		<dc:creator>Catrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up (and no - it&#039;s not from paddy)
&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/in-defence-of-betsy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Instead it&#039;s a piece from yours truly in defence of Betsy.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New post up (and no &#8211; it&#8217;s not from paddy)<br />
<b><a href="http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/in-defence-of-betsy/" rel="nofollow">Instead it&#8217;s a piece from yours truly in defence of Betsy.</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: Catrina</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39073</link>
		<dc:creator>Catrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who has doubts about the magnitude of the obstacles that Obama faces as President ... just spend 11 mins. of your life on this sample spot on MSMBC Morning Joe and think about what the underlying values are that he is dealing with.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/32550316#32550316</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who has doubts about the magnitude of the obstacles that Obama faces as President &#8230; just spend 11 mins. of your life on this sample spot on MSMBC Morning Joe and think about what the underlying values are that he is dealing with.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/32550316#32550316" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/32550316#32550316</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39072</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>408 Enemy Combatant Re Gore Vidal. Then maybe we should bring back George Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>408 Enemy Combatant Re Gore Vidal. Then maybe we should bring back George Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39071</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democrats Beginning to Seriously Consider Using Reconciliation on Health Bill
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&lt;blockquote&gt;After months of trying to get a bipartisan deal with the Republicans on health care reform, there is increasing momentum now on using the budget reconciliation process to ram a bill through the Senate using a parliamentary maneuver that cannot be filibustered. Once the House and Senate have passed (different) bills, a conference committee will come up with a single bill or possibly two bills. It is likely that aspects all Democrats agree on will be in a single bill that will follow the normal rules and on which cloture will be invoked. The controversial parts will likely go in a second bill that will be subject to a straight up-or-down vote, with 50 votes (plus Joe Biden) being enough to pass it. In this way, even if some conservative Democrats, such as Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) vote against it, it will still pass.

While Republicans will be enraged by this tactic, the Democrats are now circulating an unsigned memo explaining how reconciliation works and pointing that it has been used 19 times since the process was established in 1980, most recently six times during the Bush administration. In particular it was used in 2001 and 2003 to pass large tax cuts for the wealthy over Democratic objections. Some of the things Republican senators said then may come back to haunt them now. For example, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) said: &quot;Is something wrong with &#039;majority rules&#039;? I don&#039;t think so.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Continued on http://www.electoral-vote.com

Now we are starting to get into it.
Also in the same article Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) starting her run for Texas governor. Just thought I&#039;d point out again that a Texas senate seat will become vacant, with lots of angry Latinos voters this time around. :)
Once the health bill is passed they will also be very grateful to the Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats Beginning to Seriously Consider Using Reconciliation on Health Bill<br />
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<blockquote><p>After months of trying to get a bipartisan deal with the Republicans on health care reform, there is increasing momentum now on using the budget reconciliation process to ram a bill through the Senate using a parliamentary maneuver that cannot be filibustered. Once the House and Senate have passed (different) bills, a conference committee will come up with a single bill or possibly two bills. It is likely that aspects all Democrats agree on will be in a single bill that will follow the normal rules and on which cloture will be invoked. The controversial parts will likely go in a second bill that will be subject to a straight up-or-down vote, with 50 votes (plus Joe Biden) being enough to pass it. In this way, even if some conservative Democrats, such as Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) vote against it, it will still pass.</p>
<p>While Republicans will be enraged by this tactic, the Democrats are now circulating an unsigned memo explaining how reconciliation works and pointing that it has been used 19 times since the process was established in 1980, most recently six times during the Bush administration. In particular it was used in 2001 and 2003 to pass large tax cuts for the wealthy over Democratic objections. Some of the things Republican senators said then may come back to haunt them now. For example, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) said: &#8220;Is something wrong with &#8216;majority rules&#8217;? I don&#8217;t think so.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Continued on <a href="http://www.electoral-vote.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.electoral-vote.com</a></p>
<p>Now we are starting to get into it.<br />
Also in the same article Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) starting her run for Texas governor. Just thought I&#8217;d point out again that a Texas senate seat will become vacant, with lots of angry Latinos voters this time around. <img src='http://politic.osm.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Once the health bill is passed they will also be very grateful to the Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Enemy Combatant</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39070</link>
		<dc:creator>Enemy Combatant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat at 367:

Yes, “operational infrastructure within the U.S. system of govt.” is very different from our own where NOT toeing the Party line (except on conscience votes) is detrimental to a member’s security of tenure on Capital Hill, points well addressed by Katielou and our redoubtable Man In Canberra, David Gould, in comments following.

Ok then, let’s wait till the tabling of the fourth Health proposal (as you suggest) before re-engaging on debate on this vital Bill. Ain’t goin’ nowhere in this orange jumpsuit, that’s fer sure. :)

Katielou, your course at S.U. sounds just the ticket to glean some insights into the U.S. political process. Congrats on your commitment to a passion we all share. Had no idea about the fate of Senator Ted Kennedy’s seat should the Chappaquiddick Kid cark it.

And yes, Bazza has displayed enough inertia so far on the Health Bill to keep not a barrel, but an arsenal of powder dry, so let’s hope he goes off with a smoothly controlled bang when the time is right. An explosion we can believe in. And so say the citizens of Seppo City Central, of the heartland, the redwood forests and the Rocky Mountains.

Baz Baz Ka-Boom……step up to that plate! 
Word on Ticster Street says you&#039;re a Player.

-----
 David Gould at 382. 

Thanks for the lucid response, Jen agrees with you and I must agree with her, that is one of the best paragraphs you have posted in Ticsterdom. Thread authorship does heaps for your blog game.  :) 

A feature we’re yet to discuss on the Health Bill is the role of registered Independent voters in the U.S. electoral process. Maybe it’s those voters that Congressional RINOs and DINOs are trying to impress. Otoh, Corporate largesse seems to rain upon the Indy’s (Joey “The Rat” Lieberman), and Elephants and Donkeys alike.

 &quot;Our only political party has two right wings, one called Republican, the other Democratic…...(so)……It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people” .&quot; 

--Gore Vidal 

And both prefer to play ball with the owners of America, while  providing an occasional tokenistic nod to the punters in the bleachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat at 367:</p>
<p>Yes, “operational infrastructure within the U.S. system of govt.” is very different from our own where NOT toeing the Party line (except on conscience votes) is detrimental to a member’s security of tenure on Capital Hill, points well addressed by Katielou and our redoubtable Man In Canberra, David Gould, in comments following.</p>
<p>Ok then, let’s wait till the tabling of the fourth Health proposal (as you suggest) before re-engaging on debate on this vital Bill. Ain’t goin’ nowhere in this orange jumpsuit, that’s fer sure. <img src='http://politic.osm.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Katielou, your course at S.U. sounds just the ticket to glean some insights into the U.S. political process. Congrats on your commitment to a passion we all share. Had no idea about the fate of Senator Ted Kennedy’s seat should the Chappaquiddick Kid cark it.</p>
<p>And yes, Bazza has displayed enough inertia so far on the Health Bill to keep not a barrel, but an arsenal of powder dry, so let’s hope he goes off with a smoothly controlled bang when the time is right. An explosion we can believe in. And so say the citizens of Seppo City Central, of the heartland, the redwood forests and the Rocky Mountains.</p>
<p>Baz Baz Ka-Boom……step up to that plate!<br />
Word on Ticster Street says you&#8217;re a Player.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
 David Gould at 382. </p>
<p>Thanks for the lucid response, Jen agrees with you and I must agree with her, that is one of the best paragraphs you have posted in Ticsterdom. Thread authorship does heaps for your blog game.  <img src='http://politic.osm.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>A feature we’re yet to discuss on the Health Bill is the role of registered Independent voters in the U.S. electoral process. Maybe it’s those voters that Congressional RINOs and DINOs are trying to impress. Otoh, Corporate largesse seems to rain upon the Indy’s (Joey “The Rat” Lieberman), and Elephants and Donkeys alike.</p>
<p> &#8220;Our only political party has two right wings, one called Republican, the other Democratic…&#8230;(so)……It makes no difference who you vote for &#8211; the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people” .&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8211;Gore Vidal </p>
<p>And both prefer to play ball with the owners of America, while  providing an occasional tokenistic nod to the punters in the bleachers.</p>
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		<title>By: gaffhook</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39069</link>
		<dc:creator>gaffhook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could just imagine the wankers at the AMA doing something like this to support the Ruddster with the private healthcare bill that the libtards are going to reject in the Senate.
This should be music to Bazzas ears.

&quot;Mad as Hell&quot; Doctors hit the road for Single Payer Health Plan

&lt;blockquote&gt; Every move we make along the way will be recorded on camera and then edited and uploaded to the internet that same day. This will allow our Mad As Hell Doctors Tour to leverage the edited video segments on social networking web sites such as Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, MySpace, et al. In this way, our effort becomes an unprecedented hybrid of reality television and political activism that offers people the opportunity to follow us, in real time, as our story unfolds. The message will be unmistakable: caravan with us to Washington and help make a public demonstration of support for Single Payer Health Care that will be heard around the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.opednews.com/articles/-Mad-as-Hell-Doctors-hit-by-Pam-Miles-090824-377.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could just imagine the wankers at the AMA doing something like this to support the Ruddster with the private healthcare bill that the libtards are going to reject in the Senate.<br />
This should be music to Bazzas ears.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mad as Hell&#8221; Doctors hit the road for Single Payer Health Plan</p>
<blockquote><p> Every move we make along the way will be recorded on camera and then edited and uploaded to the internet that same day. This will allow our Mad As Hell Doctors Tour to leverage the edited video segments on social networking web sites such as Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, MySpace, et al. In this way, our effort becomes an unprecedented hybrid of reality television and political activism that offers people the opportunity to follow us, in real time, as our story unfolds. The message will be unmistakable: caravan with us to Washington and help make a public demonstration of support for Single Payer Health Care that will be heard around the world.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/-Mad-as-Hell-Doctors-hit-by-Pam-Miles-090824-377.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opednews.com/articles/-Mad-as-Hell-Doctors-hit-by-Pam-Miles-090824-377.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39068</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hiya paddy -
 if not fire then wind, huh?
....Bloody fierce here too. Just drove home from a friend&#039;s with snow pelting down, branches flying and a howling gale. Found warmth and safety in the arms of a bottle of red lovingly calling me from the sideboard. Candles at the ready, raincoat at the door..... bring it on. 
And fuck Turnbull - he&#039;s history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiya paddy -<br />
 if not fire then wind, huh?<br />
&#8230;.Bloody fierce here too. Just drove home from a friend&#8217;s with snow pelting down, branches flying and a howling gale. Found warmth and safety in the arms of a bottle of red lovingly calling me from the sideboard. Candles at the ready, raincoat at the door&#8230;.. bring it on.<br />
And fuck Turnbull &#8211; he&#8217;s history.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39067</link>
		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now then ticsters, it&#039;s a tad windy down south in this wide brown land of ours tonight.......
It&#039;s bloody blowing a gale and the roof is demanding a pay rise, or else!! 
(It&#039;s currently threatening to stage a walkout and bugger off to Tasmania!!) 
So, in the spirit of &quot;Damn the torpedoes&quot;, I&#039;ll post today&#039;s ripper  Firstdog before the power goes out. :-) 
http://media.crikey.com.au/Media/images/090825-LunchAtHome-7677573e-29db-4975-bf99-eececf004527.jpg

Night all and think of that nice Mr Oates.  :mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now then ticsters, it&#8217;s a tad windy down south in this wide brown land of ours tonight&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
It&#8217;s bloody blowing a gale and the roof is demanding a pay rise, or else!!<br />
(It&#8217;s currently threatening to stage a walkout and bugger off to Tasmania!!)<br />
So, in the spirit of &#8220;Damn the torpedoes&#8221;, I&#8217;ll post today&#8217;s ripper  Firstdog before the power goes out. <img src='http://politic.osm.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://media.crikey.com.au/Media/images/090825-LunchAtHome-7677573e-29db-4975-bf99-eececf004527.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://media.crikey.com.au/Media/images/090825-LunchAtHome-7677573e-29db-4975-bf99-eececf004527.jpg</a></p>
<p>Night all and think of that nice Mr Oates.  <img src='http://politic.osm.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39066</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Casey is the favourite for Byrds position. Cannot find out anything about him.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://politic.osm.net/2009/08/conspiracy/comment-page-5/#comment-39065</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both replacements are Democrats.
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The Charleston Gazette set off a round of Byrd retirement speculation last week by reporting that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has discussed succession plans on a conference call with Gov. Joe Manchin and state party leader Nick Casey.

Both men are rumored to be possible replacements.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23782.html#ixzz0PBgE2tUI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both replacements are Democrats.<br />
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The Charleston Gazette set off a round of Byrd retirement speculation last week by reporting that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has discussed succession plans on a conference call with Gov. Joe Manchin and state party leader Nick Casey.</p>
<p>Both men are rumored to be possible replacements.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23782.html#ixzz0PBgE2tUI" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23782.html#ixzz0PBgE2tUI</a></p>
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