That is, for the services, the drug package contains four tablets of 160 mg of the active substance, our Medway pharmacists are available to offer you advice on many health conditions. Concierge service and underground parking, 4 ED has a profound negative impact on the more here quality of life.
More US soldiers killed themselves than died in combat in 2010.
For the second year in a row, more American soldiers—both enlisted men and women and veterans—committed suicide than were killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Excluding accidents and illness, 462 soldiers died in combat, while 468 committed suicide.
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From Talk Left.
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More here…
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/6/7/231014/3565
Nate Silver at 538 is up with his simulation model for the November election.
His prediction as of today is 291 Obama 247 Romney.
The model will update every few days fron now til election day. Should be fun to keep an eye on. It seems a very intricate and spivvy model.
You can find it via the 538 link on the sidebar.
Good piece on the nightmare awaiting David Cameron on Thursday at the Leveson inquiry.
Pass the popcorn
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9320887/David-Cameron-faces-his-moment-of-truth-at-the-Leveson-Inquiry.html
seems like “Rubicon” was a bit more than Jimmy the jaw told Mr Jay it was.
http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/newscorp-real-rubicon-project.html
A very important Tweet
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Yes!
Households receive $1 billion in assistance
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A very important vote winner!
More here…
http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/households-receive-1-billion-assistance
Or maybe we should surrender first like David said.
Leveson Inquiry: Gordon Brown gives evidence of row with Sun.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18386968
308 More follows my link.
I am a little surprised that the US election looks so close. I expected Romney to be the best Republican candidate (in other words, the candidate most able to challenge Obama), but I thought that Obama would be in a better position at this point – around 320, I would have thought.
It is going to be a bit nerve-wracking.
Thank Dog for hug a climate scientist day.
http://is.gd/lK4eZl
DavidG …
you can’t help yourself can you….
Glad i don’t have a Gloria Jeans coffe shop franchise right now.
An open letter yo Gloria Jeans
http://thatsmyphilosophy.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/an-open-letter-to-gloria-jeans-coffee-not-buying-the-spin-guys/
Just been watching John Major at Leveson.
I don’t really know much about Major’s particular brand of Tory politics or philosophies but suffice to say, being a Tory,i would probably strongly disagree with him on most things.
But on that performance it is hard to comprehend the difference in the calibre of the man to someone of the like of Tony Abbott.
John Major: ‘Rupert Murdoch Told Me To Change Europe Policy’
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/12/john-major-rupert-murdoch-told-me-to-change-europe-policy_n_1589078.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Sir John said the conversation took place during a dinner in February 1997 – a few months before Labour defeated the Conservatives at an election.
“Mr Murdoch said he really didn’t like our European policies,” Sir John told inquiry chairman Lord Justice Leveson. “That was no surprise to me.”
HarryH. John Major was called a Wet. Meaning from the small l liberal part of the Conservative Party.
315 Chris B Whoops.
313 Gaffhook They certainly will be catching an earful Gaffy I know of least one right beside a University. There would be many more in the at situation.
The age of the troll could be over. (In the UK).
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Jen,
Nope. Pessimists like me always see the best worst side in everything … 😉
Harry, thats for sure. I watched it and Major sure dumped a pile of excrement on Mordor and his myrmidons. Hard to see how he will not be asked to divest of lots of his media control and with a bit of luck he may even do time yet.
If a couple of the bribing the fuzz cases get up he should be in big strife in the US.
If one closed ones eyes last night it was easily thought that at most times he was describing the media in Oz.
Shorter Gaffhook, i hope it all comes down round his fucking ears.
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Chris
how the fuck is Catrina going to control us trolls here at 101?
I’m not a lawyer so i don’t know what’s defamatory or what’s not.
Is caling SeweRoo an arsehole defamatory?
^^^^
Truth defense
HarryH
I was thinking that meself.
Firstdog does Q&A
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/qandapowerfox.jpg
Gaffy Note: (In the UK).
Mind you the trolls on 101 are out of control. 🙂
Bob Brown is NOT a woman
there’s a line…
look behind you
as for crossing lines
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/rebekah-brooks-appears-in-court-in-london-20120613-20aaw.html
330 Jen. You beat me to it.
White House Debuts Ambitious Plan To Remake The Web Using Broadband.
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http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/white-house-debuts-ambitious-plan-to-expand-broadband-again.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Firstdog goes fishing.
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For David
More here
http://www.dailykos.com/
Text trail reveals link between Ashby, journo and Slipper’s rivals: court
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/text-trail-reveals-link-between-ashby-journo-and–slippers-rivals-court-20120615-20e55.html#ixzz1xqMJ754Y
Don’t you just love those new advertisements for the government energy bonus. Wow! Hot stuff!!!!
Mormonism is not an issue in the US election. Mormonism will not be an issue. The fact that Mitt Romney is a Mormon will not play a part in this campaign.
Chris, you can’t say it will play no part at all. The polls show that some voters are affected by his religion, but it is small.
As an aside Book of Mormon is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen live. If it comes to Australia, go see it. I loved it, and I hate musicals.
I am sure Mr Murdoch would not perjure himself and make shit up. That’s not in the nature of all the media companies he presides over.
I do hope Mr Leveson comes to terms with the issue of the non existent phone call that SeweRoo remembers so precisely took place, but can not name the date and time it was supposed to have happened.
Whereas Mr Brown has precise records of all his phone calls as they were all hooked up with Downing street so there would be witnesses.
Good luck with that Roo.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18459013
338 Katielou by saying it will play no part at all. It made you think about it. Therefore it will play a part. 🙂
Gordon Brown Denial Over ‘Declaring War’ On Murdoch Supported By Phone Records
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Got im.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/15/no-record-of-disputed-phone-cal-between-rupert-murdoch-and-gordon-brown_n_1599519.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Red Kerry back on Four Courners? Awesome! Things are bigging to turn.
Questions raised over whether James Murdoch and fellow executives declared ‘secret’ second phones to police
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/questions-raised-over-whether-james-887745
Rupert Murdoch Pushed Tony Blair Over Iraq War, Claims Alastair Campbell
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/16/rupert-murdoch-pushed-tony-blair-over-iraq-war-claims-alastair-campbell_n_1602091.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
A true classic from Firstdog today.
Somehow, I don’t think Gina will be giving him a job at Fairfax any time soon. 👿
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Poll: Latinos More Enthusiastic About Obama After Immigration Move.
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http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/latinos-more-enthusiastic-about-obama-after-immigration-move.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Earthquake! Awesome!
Oh how the earth moved. 😆
Gippsland has never seemed so exciting.
Magnitude 5.2 – NEAR THE SOUTHEAST COAST OF AUSTRALIA
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usb000ajek.php
Obama Holds Wide Lead Over Romney
A new Bloomberg poll shows President Obama leads Mitt Romney by a wide margin, 53% to 40% among likely voters, even as six in 10 say the nation is headed down the wrong track.
Meanwhile, just 39% view Romney favorably, while 48% see him unfavorably. A majority of likely voters, 55%, view him as more out of touch with average Americans compared with 36% who say the president is more out of touch.
Key finding: “The presidential race is roughly tied among the most enthusiastic voters, 49% of whom back Romney compared with 48% for Obama. Still, Romney inspires far less enthusiasm even among his supporters than does Obama, with 35% of Romney backers saying their support for him is ‘very strong,’ compared with 51% of Obama backers who say so.”
Said pollster Ann Selzer: “You can see in these data how important turnout will be. Those most enthusiastic about the election are more supportive of Romney, but Obama’s voters are more locked into their candidate than Romney’s. Building resolve to vote and making the vote stick is job one, and both candidates face obstacles toward getting that done.”
http://politicalwire.com
New CIA Docs Show Bush Ignored Seven Different Warnings About Imminent Attacks.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/new-cia-docs-show-bush-ignored-seven-
Gaffy. Your Tweeting Power is 3 million times stronger than this morning. Don’t ask. But use it wisely.
And no it won’t show up on your counter.
Firstdog discusses the state of play with Julian & Ecuador.
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Oh, the irony. Kathy Jackson loses her position and is exposed for what she is. Actions have consequences.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/jackson-should-not-keep-position-in-union-judge-20120621-20qjz.html
354 Katielou Conspiracy????
354 KatieLou
Kathy Jackson looked so unconvincing all along.
Lov e it when there is some kind of justice- even if its just poetic.
351 Sorry. Not quite right. You have an importance ranking of about 7/10
351 &357 ???????????
Yes its correct…..
It may take some time to kick in.
Rebekah has had her first day in front of the beak. Hopefully there will be a few more days lashing her up and she spills on Roo under cross examination.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/22/rebekah-brooks-court-charges-phone-hacking
Obama Immigration, Gay Marriage ‘Evolution’ Shifts Voter Opinion, Galvanizes Base.
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Obama Pollster Says Ignore the Polls
Obama pollster Joel Benenson tells Greg Sargent that coverage of “meaningless daily polling” distracts from coverage of the actual policy differences between the two presidential candidates.
Said Benenson: “The only thing that’s bouncing around are the public polls. The electorate doesn’t bounce around like that. It’s more static than the noise in all these polls. If you watch the electorate over time, they don’t jump up and down. This is a process.”
He added: “Movement tends to come in small increments, and people ought to be mindful of that. We had 45 different polls over a 42 day period. It’s an industry unto itself.”
http://politicalwire.com
Obama Still Way Ahead Among Young Voters
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Formatted for EC. He Really appreciated my formatting. 🙂
http://politicalwire.com
Obama Has Big Lead Among Latinos in Swing States.
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A real nail bighter David.
http://politicalwire.com
Steve Lewis might conveniently have lost his phone or Iphone. It seems to run in the “family”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/mystery-of-vital-iphone-lost-by-news-international-7876756.html
There is no doubt about the culture of Mordor and his Myrmidons.
Steve Lewis fits in nicely with the attempts at the secretive Treasonous and sedititious undermining of authority in efforts to subvert the authorities.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/06/news-of-the-world-rebekah-brooks
Brilliant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mam-8YnB_NA&feature=related
http://thehill.com/
peaches
Firstdog does it again. Sad & brilliant.
http://bit.ly/LKHZOx
tabloidman @tabloidtroll
Extraordinarily sinister developments at News International with Operation Elveden cops now taking up residence in Wapping IT room.
370 paddy
sad indeed
Goodness me! After glancing at the tweet stream for 4 corners and then Q&A…(I couldn’t bear to actually watch.)
It seems our dear American cousins are even crazier than we are.
http://is.gd/XYCZcA
On Social Issues, Voters Trust Obama More than Romney
A new AP-GfK poll shows that voters trust President Obama over Mitt Romney on social issues by a margin of 52% to 36%. Same-sex marriage will be on the ballot in four states: Maryland, Washington, Minnesota, and Maine. Given that these are all blue states and the public generally supports same-sex marriage by a small margin now, it is doubtful that it will have much of an effect. It is amazing how fast public opinion has changed on this subject. In 2000 and 2004, Karl Rove used referendums on same-sex marriage as a technique to get conservative voters to the polls. Now with a small majority of voters favoring marriage equality, the technique is a spent force.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Slipper diary ‘was sent’ to LNP rival.
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Notice the word conspired David.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-diary-was-sent-to-lnp-rival-20120626-210mz.html#ixzz1ywl6aTHx
I have caught some of the adverts for July release already. They will bury the LNP.
Remember NO GST? Fat lot of good that did.
Poll: Mitt Romney less popular than George Bush (and Barack Obama)
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http://www.americablog.com
What? Less popular than George Bush? The worst President ever! Sorry. I’m repeating myself. Deja vu
Another set of numbers from our new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll: 60 percent say President Obama inherited the current economic conditions, compared with 26 percent who blame his policies for the state of the economy.
That’s a slight change from Aug. 2011, when 56 percent said the president inherited the economy, versus 33 percent who singled out his policies.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/26/1103390/-Americans-still-blame-Bush-for-nbsp-economy
Firstdog has truly outdone himself today.
A soup so fine, that even Chrisopher Pyne couldn’t refuse it. 👿
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ouch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxnmURQGELU&feature=youtu.be
Looked a bit like acting their guys. I hope I’m wrong.
It seems that we have 1972 in reverse. Maybe they saw it coming this time. 🙂
ok – so lets cut to the chase… what to do???
People are fleeing terrible situations to seek a better life – which is their right under the UN Convention on the Rights of Refugees.
However, they drown o the way – Which is not OK by anyone’s standards – (I will even include Tony Abbott in that statement,
despite the political mileage it gives him )
so:
options are:
1) stop them coming (how?)
2) when they get here – punish them (really?)
3) stop people wanting to come here … (bring about world peace)
4) accept that when they do get here we should treat them decently (well hello the Greens)
or
5) stick your head up your arse and pretend that desperate people will listen to the government of a wealthy nation saying Dont Come and say OK We Wont Even Try
:(((
Can’t argue with any of that. Answers are a different issue. Tip toe through the Tulips. 🙂
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Jen Change the method of their arrival.
This needs lateral (brave) thinking.
(1) Stop seizing and burning every boat that arrives.
Then they’d use better, more seaworthy boats.
(2)Stop arresting the crews.
Then they’d use better crews.
Doubtful the Govt is that brave and it probably needs the Greens to come up with some serious alternatives tomorrow.
Right now, Tony Abbott holds the “popular” majority in the polls and with the media.
Oakshott’s bill was a start today. (Not a great one I’d agree.)
But the political reality is growing more depressing as each week passes.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
I just hope Christine can make a break through.
The blame game is alive and well, and it’s the Greens who’ll be the easy targets. 🙁
The Greens should stick to their guns.
Yes the blame game will be on. The ranters will rant. The ravers will rave.
But i have a confidence in the 12% of people who have long ago dismissed the ranters and ravers . Their raving and ranting has been disgusting us for years.
Today i saw crocodile tears from both sides of the House for people they don’t give a flying fuck about….all they want is for them to disappear and make the Lindsay voters happy. Malaysia?..Nauru? bleh bleh bleh….puke.
Stick to your guns .
There are decent ways to deal with these situations and you know it .
Because you get no support from the parties trying to pass the Lindsay test as dictated by Singleton and Murdoch, doesn’t mean you don’t have support.
The LNP policy is , We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come’
In short, no brownies thankyou.
The Greens policy is welcome to AS but we demand onshore processing but if you happen to drown trying to get here well that is just bad luck.
In short, make the journey and we’ll make you a citizen.
The ALP policy is to welcome to AS but we don’t want you to drown as a result of unseaworthy boats getting here. What you need to do is come via an organised offshore processing facility, the first of which will be Malaysia, followed by Thailand and others in the region to be established in the near future. Get to one of them with your claim and you will be processed and either flown here or shipped here in a seaworthy craft. People smugglers are not offshore processing facilities and anyone using them will forfeit the immediate right for asylum.
The legislation passed the house yesterday to enable the Government to make legal decisions regarding immigration laws. It will go before the senate today.
We can have a further twelve months of just letting people die at sea by senators blocking that legislation or we can have an opportunity/trial, using the sunset clause, to attempt to create a safe situation for people to come to Australia.
If the legislation is blocked in the senate today then those who block it will be known as the “Cadaver Pouches R us” party.
No ifs or buts, if the legislation is blocked there will be no progress at all.
If the legislation is passed and the number of those lost at sea is reduced dramatically then there will be progress.
If the legislation is passed and there is no reduction in those lost at sea then the sunset clause will kick in after twelve months and then what?
for people to come to Australia.
Gaffhook –
the problem with your position is that it is predicated on the belief that offshore processing will deter Asylum seekers . If incarceration in concentration camps and the real risk of dying doesn’t deter them why would the threat of OSP do it?
The Greens are saying we need to deal with the countries of origin to assist faster processing at the point of departure, increase our intake of humanitarian refugees so that people reaching Indonesia and malaysia are processed more quickly so that they don’t get on boats to risk coming as they will get here sooner anyway, and then for those that still try – and they will – we treat them decently.
Are we seriously going to put those people who survived yesterday’s disaster on a plane and send them to 3rd world country which has no obligations to treat them humanely??? Look at the way this country treats them FFS.
This is a vexed, complex issue and OSP is a simplistic approach that simply puts people out of sight out of mind.
They have a right to seek asylum – we should help them.
Obama Leads Romney In Polls Of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/27/quinnipiac-polls-obama-romney_n_1630225.html
Jen the problem with your position is that you have already doomed something that has not been tried, as an alternative to what happens now, to failure.
There is no point sitting in either house of parliament and just saying your idea is fucked, therefore it is no good, therefore we vote no.
You need to come up with proper amendments that are different to what happens now, to try, and are accepted by the majority.
In life if you can never have your ideal, then you should accept something as close to your ideal as is possible.
It is called compromise and progression.
Anything short of compromise and progression is the policy of the “Cadaver Pouches R us” parties.
I think we should give offshore processing a run. I think it’s a real option to reduce the number of people taking dangerous sea voyages. The government has organised for UNHCR oversight of the program. The government should continue to work for regional cooperation to try and settle these people.
Good idea also to increase Australia’s intake, though it was offered by Abbott for political reasons only.
As much as Abbott and Morrison make me want to puke, I’m also annoyed with the Greens for not making any compromise (sorry Jen, just speaking my mind).
For a bit of good news, Obama is pulling ahead in key swing states.
This article suggest Obama’s attack ads are working in key swing states and quotes a poll that says he is ahead by 8 points overall in those 12 states.
ow.ly/bRNrh
And a quote from the poll:
thebea.st/LD0LLf
If you copy and paste those links above it will work.
Giant projects in the pipeline point to $209bn pay dirt from exports
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396 All this positive economic news is pointing to a very good year for Julia Gillard.
394 Katielou Your poll plus my poll make the so called outlier of 13% by Salzner? Look like it is not an outlier anymore. Rather a leader.
Here are the Greens amendments to the bill they are debating now.
http://greensmps.org.au/content/motions/migration-legislation-amendment-bali-process-bill-2012
Blockquote>(Second reading amendment to be moved by the Leader of the Australian Greens, Senator Milne, on behalf of herself and Senator Hanson-Young)
At the end of the motion, add:
but the Senate:
(a) calls on the Government to take immediate action to:
(i) provide safe pathways for refugees to discourage people taking life threatening journeys;
(ii) increase Australia’s humanitarian intake from 13,750 to 20,000, including additional places to be immediately allocated to targeted resettlement of 1,000 people from Indonesia and 4,000 people from Malaysia;
(iii) immediately increase funding to United Nations High Commission for Refugees by $10 million to boost the capacity of Refugee Status Determination assessments in Malaysia and Indonesia;
(iv) establish a multi-party committee, charged with developing a framework for a long-term regional solution which is underpinned by the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the related 1967 Protocol;
(v) enter urgent discussions between Australia and Indonesia to address the critical need for cooperation and effectiveness of intelligence sharing and resourcing between Australia and Indonesia in order to save lives at sea;
(vi) codify Australia’s Safety of Life at Sea Convention 1974 obligations across all relevant government agencies and increase Australia’s rescue capacity in Australia’s northern waters; and
(b) resolves that a message be sent to the House of Representatives immediately to acquaint it with this resolution.
I dont see the Government really disagreeing with the basic principles of these amendments.
What the practicalities (particularly logistics and hardware) of introducing them are is another question especially in the case of (vi)
Therefore i would say that the government will compromise and agree to them, the LNP won’t, and the fact that the Government will agree will mean that the Greens will vote for the bill with their amendments included. The Govt and Greens should be a majority if my maths are correct. The LNP will be without Xeno.
This will effectively shove Abbott down the sewer where he belongs.
Firstdog’s on a sad roll this week.
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