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Palin for VP and Two Speeches

With John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin for VP, one can only shake their head at how amateurish a decision this was. Palin’s stance on abortion will result in few Democratic women voters being willing to even listen to her, let alone changing their vote. Her age and lack of experience do major self-afflicted damage to the attacks on Obama and she is even involved in a scandal where the Alaskan State Commissioner of Public Safety was fired by her because the commissioner refused to fire a state trooper who had divorced her sister. Ultimately, this decision is very short sighted and the VP Debate now has all the makings of a massacre.

Meanwhile the Conventions continue. Obama’s speech, which received praise from all but the most biased of judges, now places McCain under a very powerful spotlight. If McCain does not produce a speech that is at least somewhat comparable to Obama’s, then his last chance to win the election by himself (as opposed to requiring Obama to make multiple huge gaffes) is most likely gone.

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653 replies on “Palin for VP and Two Speeches”

David,

Look under Playground above where you will find quite a collection of ‘smileys’.
Plus an ‘interesting’ collection from Gaffhook 🙂

Chris B at 400

I was actually referring to his comment at 390. But more generally I think David’s tendency to focus on facts and less on emotional stuff is good value.

🙂

Chris B at 401,

Read 386, where I said that I bet the Obama camp is not shrugging Palin’s speech off. I trust their judgment on many things. But not all of them, and that is where I intend to focus.

If you want me to be all happy-clappy and such, you will have to wait until after the election is won. I have seen too many elections lost to be happy until then.

David

I think you’ll find that a LOT of Conservative people will not vote for the Republican Party this year.

This is not a Party that they are comfortable with any more.

From today onwards, The Republican Party have clearly been defined as a narrow right wing, warmongering , religious Party.

You may say they have been for a longtime, but it has mainly been unspoken and the tent has remained fairly open.

Many Conservatives will be shaking there heads.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

I think Sarah Palin is going to be taken down and taken down hard.

The Conservative movement in America has a lot of thinking and sifting to do. They are no longer a big tent.

Chris B,

If you want to think of me as a Republican agent, that is fine. Picture me as Aida, perhaps, wearing Cassandra robes and headress and riding an elephant. I think I’m going to need a bigger wooden spoon …

HarryH at 408,

Perhaps. However, given that the ticket seems to be attracting 90 per cent plus of registered Republicans, I am unsure what social conservatives they are not appealing to. Economic conservatives may not like them, but they sure are not going to like what they think they see about Obama. (Although my argument would be that the Democrats are a much more economically conservative party than the Republicans. Big government? Big as an elephant.

I need more material. 🙁

He is not a very snappy dresser. I would much rather be Rove out of Family Guy, to tell you the truth.

David

They may well be getting 90%+ of registered Republicans BUT there are now only about 30% of the population Republican.

The soft and wavering Republicans are in the Independant 30% now.

It will be interesting to see how many are wooed back into the tent.

Independents are indeed the key. And, more importantly, independents in three key states.

What are the names of those three key states, I hear you ask?

Michigan. Ohio. Virginia.

😉

David

If the Repugs get 48 or 49% of the vote, then Michigan,Ohio and Virginia matter.

If they only get 45 or 46% of the vote….nothing matters.

insert wink.

HarryH at 420,

Even after the convention bounce, with him on 49 per cent and McCain on 43 in the RCP average, Obama was only two points up in a poll in Ohio. Two similar polls in Minnesota and Iowa showed Obama with huge leads.

Admittedly, the poll had a margin of error of 3.5 per cent, but the error might not be in Obama’s favour.

However, I think that this shows that Ohio is in play even if the Democrats have a big lead in the national polls. And Virginia, too.

Michigan, not so much, it appears. But I would like a lot more data from there.

The press has been absolutely savage on Palin for the last week. None of that happened during the Democrats convention. I wonder what the polls will show in a weeks time?

My guess, for what it is worth, is that Obama will be up by 3 – 4 on the realclearpolitics average (so, a solid gain of 2 to 3 over the period).

Our David:

Picture me as Aida, perhaps, wearing Cassandra robes and headress and riding an elephant.

Mahoutma Gouldie.
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megan, those filthy, low-life, Leftist trashmongers are putting it about the blogs that a couple years back Bristol “danced tables” weekends at Hooters, Juneau, for chump change.

Apologies if this has already been posted here. I saw it somewhere awhile ago but have been tied up for a bit.

Read the BIG, BIG comment after the article

The Truth About Sarah Palin: Dear friends, So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . . Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in common: their gender and their good looks. 🙂

http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news/world/world/general/palin-accused-of-steamy-extramarital-affair/1262904.aspx

Yes, it’s comforting and true, Chris.

Ultimately, it’s not that I don’t think there aren’t people who will find Palin’s performance effective — I just don’t think there’s much overlap between those people and the universe of persuadable voters.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/cognitive-dissonance.html

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i cant watch the palin speech nor the likely orgasmic MSM commentary. i am interested in how the ratings compared with Obama’s though

the Fence has already upgraded her security measures at international airports.

A public school teacher was arrested today at John F. Kennedy International Airport as he attempted to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set square, a slide rule, and a calculator.
At a morning press conference, the Attorney General said he believes the man is a member of the notorious al-Gebra movement.
He did not identify the man, who has been charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction.
“Let there be no doubt, al-Gebra is a problem for us all,” the Attorney General said. “They desire solutions by means and extremes and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like ‘x’ and ‘y’ and refer to themselves as ‘unknowns,’ but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country.
As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, ‘There are three sides to every triangle.’
When asked to comment on the arrest, President George W. Bush said, “If God had wanted us to have better Weapons of Math Instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes.”
White House aides told reporters they could not recall a more intelligent or profound statement by the President

Andrew@431,

Agree, though for me it is the listening to those bone-shattering voices that I can’t handle.

Worse than fingernails on chalkboards.

Give me the dulcet tones of our gracious Penny Wong any day.

Looking at Senate polling on various US sites the Dems are now ahead to have 56 seats and within 5% of 4 more. That counts Joe McLieberman. Next swag of seats are around 10% margins but not out of reach with the GOP retreating behind the wagons and firing wildly.

McCain’s Fellow Prisoner of War Makes Ad

A Navy veteran, Philip Butler, who went to the Naval Academy with John McCain and later was a prisoner of war with him in Vietnam has made an independent ad in which he says: “I think I can say with authority that the prisoner-of-war experience is not a good prerequisite for president of the United States.”

It is not a Swift boat ad because he doesn’t demean McCain.

http://www.electoral-vote.com

Great stuff, Gaffy. Satire angled Right; worthy of Pythagorus.

Gaffy:

A public school teacher was arrested today at John F. Kennedy International Airport as he attempted to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set square, a slide rule, and a calculator.

As soon as laws are necessary for men, they are no longer fit for freedom. — Pythagorus

Gaffy you are a worry, am currently in serious negotiations with #1 re the road to al- Gebra & matters Mesopotamia. eg ‘Dad that maths is so ‘…ties’ . & thanks for comments a few pages back.

Megan, a hundred lines? Certainly not; but a vid of self flagellation on the back verandah would be entirely appropriate. 🙂

EC it’s not the degeneracy but probably the asbergers which kinda answers your question; as for paying attention, gimmeabreak!

Apologies to GHV.

PS KR on the boil? & Where is Jen? Hope she didn’t lean too far back on camels.

bot…kid sprints clear for now…what a concert…

codger, the last time I gave you a break you ran amok with a ferocity that made Rambo look like a social worker. Happy to take all the toonies you can dish, but no more Pythonesque humour for you, young man!

jen’s on hols someplace unplugged for another couple of weeks. She’s taking a sanity break from cyberspace.

KR’s lurking and following the action. We all miss him and look forward to his regular rollicking brilliance when his chi is charged once again.

Senator Joe Biden talking about Palen ..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26541705#26541705

While the NYT has an article on the same event.

On ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Mr. Biden, the six-term Delaware senator, said, “It was a very skillfully written, very skillfully delivered speech. But there was not a word about the middle class or health care or how people are going to fill up their gas tanks or a single word about how we’re going to get our kids through college.”

And from Gallup Daily we have an update: 49% to 43%

PRINCETON, NJ — Gallup Poll Daily tracking encompassing Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday’s interviewing shows Barack Obama retaining a six percentage point, 49% top 43%, lead over John McCain among registered voters.

Up on the NYT is an interesting article that brings into question the VP role, and in particular reflecting on the Cheney and Al Gore legacy and how that reality maps onto Palin.

In her speech, she tried to address that by belittling what she disparaged as the Washington elite and the news media — a sure-fire applause line at these kinds of events — and invoking her own experience as a reformer. Yet she made no effort to say what she might do as a vice president, no small question when her lack of a national or international portfolio suggests she would not slide easily into the kind of full partner role enjoyed by Mr. Cheney and Al Gore.

“The Gore-Cheney series of vice presidencies have changed the nature of the job,” said Gary Hart, a former Democratic senator from Colorado and a friend of Mr. McCain. “What McCain has done is to try to revert to the 19th-century model, early-20th-century model of vice president — the ‘job isn’t worth a warm pitcher of spit’ model, which means you don’t do anything.”

“But we don’t live in that kind of world anymore,” Mr. Hart said. And, he said, that is a particularly relevant question given Mr. McCain’s age — 72 — and health problems. “I’m sure John thinks he can live forever, or at least for eight years,” Mr. Hart said.

In closing remarks – nothing better than a rebuttal from the Anchorage Daily News with an article titled Some of Palin’s remarks stretch the truth containing details of factual inaccuracies on the pipeline that does not exist and evidence contradicting her stated non-involvement in earmark projects.

OBAMA CAMP RAISES $8 M SINCE PALIN SPEECH.

The Obama campaign confirms to First Read that it has raised $8 million from more than 130,000 donors since Sarah Palin’s speech last night — and that it’s on pace to raise a total of $10 million by the time McCain speaks.

The Wall Street Journal, meanwhile, is reporting that the RNC raised $1 million after Palin’s speech.

I wonder how many Hillary supporters are on the other side now? I doubt if there is hardly any.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/04/1349821.aspx

Obama giving some black Republicans ‘heartburn’

Armstrong Williams is an African-American conservative commentator who is thinking about making a decision that he says is so agonizing, it gives him heartburn.

This fall, he may vote for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee.

The nationally known radio talk show host is a proud third-generation Republican who chuckles when African-American friends tell him it’s time to “return home” to the Democratic Party.

Though he still hasn’t decided for whom he’ll cast his ballot, there’s something about Obama’s presidential candidacy that excites him.

“History, brother,” Williams said. “It cannot be anything else.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/obama.black.republicans/?iref=hpmostpop

Sarah Palin’s speech wins TV ratings battle in landslide.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin proved Wednesday night she could deliver a good speech – and a huge audience.

An estimated 37.24 million viewers tuned into six networks measured by the Nielsen Company to see the vice presidential nominee’s speech before the Republican National Convention.

How many of the viewers the donated to the Democrat Party, as per #444? How many of them were Democrats who are now even more fired up? This was a great motivational speech for the Democrats and the undecided.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/09/04/2008-09-04_sarah_palins_speech_wins_tv_ratings_batt.html

Jack Abramoff sentenced to 48 months.

Jack A. Abramoff, the once-powerful Republican super-lobbyist, was sentenced today to 48 months in prison for his role in a corruption scandal that rocked Congress and the Bush administration.

U.S. District Judge Ellen S. Huvelle pronounced the sentence as a tearful Abramoff stood before her with his lawyers this afternoon in a courtroom that included both victims and family members.

The sentence was far below the 121 months that Abramoff could have received under federal sentencing guidelines but more than either the Justice Department or his lawyers had requested.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-abramoff5-2008sep05,0,2600935.story

America’s “swing” voters are turning to support Barack Obama at a faster clip than to John McCain, according to the latest Gallup Poll. Overall, Obama still leads McCain by a 49-43 margin.

But the big news is that support for the Democratic nominee is firming up.

Gallup says the registered voters saying they “are certain to vote for Obama” went up 6 percentage points — from 36 percent before the Democratic convention to 42 percent after it.

Must be registered.

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/1989

Here you are David, the question you were asking about Palin is answered here.

CBS Poll: Palin Remains Unknown Quantity.

Even after Sen. John McCain named her as his running mate on Friday, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin remained an unknown quantity to most Americans. Sixty-six percent had no opinion of her in a CBS News poll conducted over the weekend. In polling completed on Monday and Tuesday, sixty percent still had no opinion about her.

But of those who did have opinions, 26 percent of the most recently polled were favorable, while only 13 percent were not favorable.

More than one in four voters said that the vice presidential choices will matter this year, but few voters say that having Palin on the Republican ticket will change their vote. Just 14 percent said they are more likely to vote for McCain as a result of having Palin on the ticket, while 13 percent said they are less likely to do so. Sixty-eight percent said it won’t make a difference in their vote.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/03/opinion/polls/main4413191.shtml?source=mostpop_story

In another week we’re going to see the big flags (I mean the REALLY BIG flags) come out as we get to re-live the Twin Towers attack over and over again.

I’d also guess we’ll see McCain pumping the 911/Saddam nexus for all it’s worth (not a hill of beans, but that’s another story for those who like facts with their Wheaties).

By then the GOP will be more than happy to get Palin off the front page, since the longer she stays there the less time they’ve got to talk policy, and the bigger the risk she’ll be exposed for running moose extermination camps or some small town scandal, coz sure as eggs, this lady has baggage, and I don’t just mean a teenage daughter up the duff.

So get ready for Jingoism Fest 08, as the Prez race smacks into 911 and the whole sad and sorry invasion of Iraq gets re-moulded into saving the world (as opposed to shredding a country for no useful purpose).

How the kid counters this will be telling for the campaign, since he needs to keep the anti-war theme going against McCain’s faux patriotism in wanting to occupy the ME for the next century.

Chris B,

She is unknown, sure. And maybe she won’t have a positive effect for McCain (my argument is that she will have a slight positive effect for Obama in the overall national vote, but perhaps a slight positive effect for McCain in certain key demographics). But I am still worried that people are underestimating her.

And what about her ratings, Chris? That’s a record! At this rate, the Obama will win the presidency but she will win the vice-presidency! 😉

Anyone who didn’t should catch Jon Stewart’s show for Sept 3rd where he does the ‘gotcha clips’ with Turd Blossom slamming some Democratic VP contenders because they’d only been mayor of a town with 150,000 people!

Then the wiley Stewart cuts to Rove extolling Palin’s record of having actually run a town, and yes, of 9,000 people!

Jon gets a head of steam and pulls up a trove of Republican two-faced bastardry and it’s as funny as all get out.

Gotta love the Daily Man! Get some Daily!

The Daily Show and Colbert are complusory viewing for me.

I see The Comedy Channel will be getting Bill Maher’s show later in September. I’m also looking forward to that. He’s got some clever things to say, and has interesting guests.

I thought Jon Stewart was spot on with Newt Gingrich when he discussed the issue of abortion. Jon commented how having the baby was her daughter’s choice, and that she was supporting that, yet Palin wants to remove the ability to choose from the American public. She wanted to take away from Americans the opportunity to choose, a choice that her family had benefitted from. It was a pretty poignant moment for me.

455 KatieLou

Stewart is an amazing mix of satirist and intellectual, isn’t he? Who else broadcasts such scathing commentary and exposes the sheer hypocrisy in politics?

So when he brings up the contradiction in Palin’s position it’s all Newt can do to acknowledge he’s snookered, because you sure as hell can’t answer it with some glib bit of born again dogma without sounding like a d!ckhead. (Not that that stops them, mostly! LOL)

Artful timing, or what:

In a first for Senator Barack Obama and Bill O’Reilly of Fox News, the Democratic presidential nominee is set to appear tonight on “The O’Reilly Factor,” just a few hours before Senator John McCain gives his acceptance speech.

NYT

…this will be an unusual meeting, to say the least. And just wait for Stewart and Colbert to get their teeth around it! LOL

It was deliberately set up by the Obama camp. They had a meeting with Fox to work out the details. They want to try to draw some viewers away from the McCain speech, or at least have a forum to counter some of the things that he might say.

458 David Gould

Ironic, wouldn’t you say, that this small (in population at least) state Governor, and ex-mayor of a hick town, gives a well crafted and rehearsed speech, and all of a sudden she’s ‘experienced’ enough to be one heartbeat away (as they say)

Obama, on the other hand, just gives ‘good speeches’!

It seems to me that picking the arctic hillbilly is once again playing the hicksville America against the ‘elites’, with some irony being that instead of a Southern hick, she hails from polar bear country. But really, it makes no difference, because the essential dichotomy is this notion of a ‘real’ American frontiersman (or woman in this case), versus this effete, over-educated liberal.

Essentially, Adam Carr said that this made the East coast liberals unlikely victors, since the ‘hick’ American vote would take the day.

We’ll see.

Kirribilli Removals,

It is the right tactic for the GOP to take. That guns and religion comment was a very bad mistake by Obama. I say again: this woman should not be underestimated. (And it is very good that the Obama camp seem to be doing all the right things on this one.)

I am very much looking forward to the VP debate. Biden has a lot to lose, but now Palin does, too.

A small correction on a couple of posts I have read here. The Gallup figures are at 49-42 atm.

Apparently 8 million dollars has been donated to Obama’s campaign after Palin’s speech, compared to 1 million donated to McCain. The lipsticked pitbull is motivating somebody’s base. The base with the most registered voters.

462 David Gould

Agreed, but it’s all so retrograde playbook stuff.

Biden, should the ‘debate’ (which can be one step away from vaudeville in US TV terms) actually venture anywhere near policy, will have a clear advantage over this bit of populist fluff. (Sorry, but I just don’t buy her ‘experience’).

Cindy stumps for Macca at the RNC and what a nauseating bit of gumpf it was.

There’s something sickening about the jingoism and the motherhood statements when you consider that this is a race for the presidency of the world’s superpower. The operative word being ‘power’, and yet they seem to be mired in all this gooey personal testimonial and anecdotes about their personal qualities, none of which would stand a second’s scrutiny.

(Tell me that McCain only ever speaks the truth and pass the brown paper bag while you’re at it! LOL).

And yet the crowds lap up this vacuous gruel as if it was the sermon from the mount.

Really, what’s wrong Americans? LOL

G’day all!
So somebody is prepared to suffer extreme mental torture and watch every excrutiating second of McFake’s speech?
Better you than me!
And, as for Sarah Palin: all she does is reinforce the Republican anti-abortion/religious conservative base.
I can’t see her appealing to women who voted for Hillary in the primaries.

Meanwhile,while the media is obsessed with the McSpalin show, tricky dicky with matches in pocket , has snuck off to his favourite haunts.

News of US helicopter attack on Pakistan civilians- maybe Pakistan is next in their demolition derby.

so Obama got 40 million viewers, which solidified his support and Palin got 37 million viewers, which solidified Obama’s support

Andrew,

Do not underestimate Palin’s impact on socially conservative independents.

On McCain’s speech, pretty average. He comes across as a nice guy, but that’s about as far as it goes. He was overshadowed by Palin, but tried to aim at a different audience – the television audience, not the convention audience. I do not think that he looked particularly presidential.

Agreed DG

The GOP’s best tactic right now is to try to make McCain/Palin look as much like Palin/McCain as possible.

Won’t work of course, especially if Obi can convince Hillary to give Palin a work over for him.

OK, watched McCain’s excruciatingly long and boring acceptance speech frequently wondering when will it EVER end. McCain is way out of his depth. And the whole “changing Washington” stance will not wash, especially when he gave so much time to honouring George Bush.

He looked wooden. And his words failed to have the ring of truth to them. I know McCain is playing to the Republican crowd but the references and analogies to war were overdone. Is there anything else to this man other than being a POW in the distant past?

There will be a lot of Republicans breathing a sigh of relief that they have Palin as a second option to McCain. But she comes with her own baggage, some of which I suspect we are yet to discover.

Progressive,

Remember that these polls were taken during the bounce (assuming it was just a bounce, of course). However, the Iowa and Minnesotta polls are certainly great news. However, Ohio is still on a knife’s edge it seems.

DG, I suggest not getting too carried away by polls, whether they prompt optimism in the most hopeful or words of caution in those who like to think of themselves as realists.

There is still 2 months to go. The polls will not be forecasting anything until we are within the last couple of weeks.

While it is good to keep an eye on them, what I think is most valuable right now for us bloggers here in Oz is assessing how the media handles the two presidential candidates, how those candidates handle each other, and the tactics used by the two main parties. These will be what eventually feeds into public opinion and then into the polls just prior to election day.

Remember, John Kerry had some good polls and might have won the election were it not for the swift boating stuff that came during the main election campaign.

Chris B,

Unfortunately, while electoral-vote averages any polls taken within a week of the last poll, there have been no Iowa, Minnesota or Ohio polls in the last week.

Noocat at 485,

I understand that polls can fluctuate. But the one thing that the polls have told us all along is that this election is going to be close. And I personally also think that trends are important. The convention came at the right time for Obama, with things trending against him (he was still in front, but the trend was clear).

There are not too many circuit breakers between now and the election, so any trend we witness in the next few weeks will be significant. I am hoping for a steady 3 – 4 point lead for Obama, starting from around next weekend (we have to wait for the convention stuff to wash through, I think).

DG, you are HOPING for an Obama lead?? Your comments on this site suggest you are anything but an Obama supporter

Negative reaction to McCains speech:

David Gergen though the speech repeated the same old ideas:

I did not think that the substantive part of the speech worked very well. It was mostly a rerun, retread of a lot of old Republican ideas that have brought us to where we are now. I think the country is looking for fresh answers. It’s hard to separate yourself out from President Bush when you essentially have the same economic policies as President Bush. I thought that the policy presentation was a little thin.”
Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson slammed McCain’s speech on MSNBC

The policy in the speech was rather typical for a Republican. Pretty disappointing. It didn’t do a lot of outreach to moderates and independents on issues that they care about. It talked, about issues like drilling and school choice which was really speaking to the converted. I think that was a missed opportunity. Many Americans needed to hear from this speech something they have never heard from Republicans before. And in reality, a lot of the policy they’ve heard from Republicans before.

more at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com

G’day Gang, first of all the “Jon Daily lops Turd Blossom” clip, discussed but not linked yet:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/jon-stewart-hits-karl-rov_n_123852.html

(discussed, not yet linked). Baz tales no bullshit from Fox’s prime time rod walloper BillO. Note the staging. Very smart move from Team Obi. BillO is not on his throne, and The Kid can get in his face with his gesticulations when Bill won’t drop off. Also the first time I’ve ever seen The Kid do the “No,no, no, no, no” routine when Bill tries to talk over him.

Game on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/barack-obama-on-the-oreil_n_124056.html

Possum’s lastest shows that Palin seems to have polarised the electorate in a manner that is advantageous to Dems.

http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/mccain-gets-impalined/
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Not that we’ve got any of them around here or anything.

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494 Enemy Combatant

You can pick up the entire show for Sept 3rd on:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

…lower right hand of screen for full episodes.

This was a home run episode, where JS just kept knocking them out of the field.

Of course no other ‘news’ or commentary show of ‘serious’ content, ever bothers to pick up on this stuff, despite it just being a click of a mouse button away, because they’re too partisan, lazy and incompetent.

Stewart not only skewers the pollies, but by doing it so artfully shows what a stinking sewer of spineless yes-men inhabit the US news media.

It’s genius stuff.

No doubt about that Jon Daily, Kirri, he’s a class comedian. Lerve his writers, dig his delivery. Remember when he went on Fox a few years ago and the talking-shill-head got really antsy because he wouldn’t do schtick for them. Asked ’em why they were shafting Americans with 24/7 dross and propaganda. Hasn’t been invited back since:)

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458 David Gould I do not understand your logic whatsoever there David. It sounds like reverse logic. It has nothing to do with the Obama camp. Obama just has to sit there do nothing and lap it up.

494 Enemy Combatant

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Thank you for your concern with that article. You are right we don’t have any concern trolls around here.
But for anyone who is concerned about concern Trolls, it is better to be upfront with your concerns. So that, we can deal, with your concerns.

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