An interview with a former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski speaking to the subject of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the recent escalation in tensions leading to the December 2008 Israeli-Hamas Conflict.
From Wikipedia is a definition of Retributive Justice …
Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that proportionate punishment is a morally acceptable response to crime, with an eye to the satisfaction and psychological benefits it can bestow to the aggrieved party, its intimates and society.
Further reading on the Wikipedia definition of retribution, the following statement appears …
In ethics and law “Let the punishment fit the crime” is the principle that the severity of penalty for a misdeed or wrongdoing should be reasonable and proportional to the severity of the infraction. The concept is common to most cultures throughout the world. Its presence in the ancient Jewish culture is shown by its inclusion in the law of Moses, specifically in Deuteronomy 19:17-21, which includes the punishments of “life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.” Many other documents reflect this value in the world’s cultures. However, the judgement of whether a punishment is appropriately severe can vary greatly between cultures and individuals.
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I see the Rude Pundit is still in love with Coulter.LOL
This is where the Internet technology is leading us. While You Tube is bring in the masses, Vimeo is catering for true HD. Both have their usefulness in driving the Internet. In four years time when Barack stands for re election their will be massive changes on the Internet. Barack will be a driving force behind that. I have no doubt the Democrats who have mastered the power of the Internet will continue along that road, as long as Conroy’s firewall doesn’t go ahead we will be part of it. If you think we had good coverage of the election this time. Just wait till four years from now.
Vimeo HD.
http://vimeo.com/hd/page:1
Are we there yet?
The FED is Marching On;
http://www.jbs.org/index.php/component/content/article/4343
Couldn’t have said it better, really:
Garrison Keillor writes in Salon about Bush leaving the White House “with a big grin in a couple of weeks, his self-esteem apparently fully intact, imagining that his legacy will emerge golden and shining in a hundred years after all of us are deceased. He is one of the cheerfullest idiots you ever saw, a man who could burn down his own house and be happy that the patio was still standing.”
…it cannot happen a moment too soon.
Meanwhile, we in Australia are lagging behind, and while Conroy is in charge we will drop further behind. Labor needs a whole new department for technology. Put people in it that know what they are doing. Maxine Mckew would be ideal. Not to head the department, but to work with the people in charge. Put top boffins from around Australia and some outsiders from overseas as well. Barack Obama is employing some of the top brains to run his Internet revolution. Who have we got. Stephen Conroy.
In today’s NY Times, Nicholas Kristoff:
But Israel’s right to do something doesn’t mean it has the right to do anything.
…and he reasons through his antidote to the mindless MSM mantra that “Israel has the right to protect itself”. Yes, but not the right to maim and kill in a frenzy of attacks that will only hasten more moderates into the radical camp.
As Jon Stewart so wittily put it, when Bloomberg waffled on about some guy trying to break down your apartment door as an analogy to the Israeli predicament: “yeah, but we forced the guy to live in the hallway and then pass all these checkpoints every time he wanted to take a crap”
There are plenty of Jews who see Israels descent into militarism and aggressive over-reaction as a large part of the problem, they just don’t get the same amount of airplay as the Zionist neocons and their proxies.
504 Kirribilli Removals Why are we waiting? Are we there yet?
Amnesty International are calling for members of the Bush administration to be prosecuted as soon as possible.
493 – DG
I’d like to get into an interesting discussion with you on the Israel/Lebanon war someday.
But needless to say, I contest pretty much each one of your premises.
It was an unnecessary, unjustified war that everyone should condemn.
The legacy of cluster bombs and destruction of infrastructure in Lebanon being in my view, tantamount to crimes which breached UN conventions. Let alone the flimsy justification for invasion.
And it would take the Iraqi information minister or Dick Cheney to spin that war into anything closely resembling victory for Israel.
Don’t say we don’t cover the big issues here.
CBS News
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Katielou
Carter makes it quite clear that the Israeli strategy is always to squeeze tighter and hit harder, despite the fact that 60 years of it have not improved things one iota. Talk about slow learners. Starving a population with draconian restrictions and then wondering why they retaliate is nothing more than a well calculated strategy to get the appearance of legitimacy. But it does not fool everyone.
The hardliners have no intention of stopping until every Gazan is pushed into the sea, and if the international community keeps silent on the travesties and barbarism they commit, then that is what will happen.
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/jim-morin/image_media/840189.html
…Milhous?
Now, that name alone should have set off alarm bells! LOL
asanque,
I am not sure of my premises, to be honest, but my conclusion is that one of the results of the war was a Hezbollah unwilling to fire rockets into Israel. This is based on the fact that Hezbollah have not fired a rocket into Israel since.
I guess some of my premises would be that Israel launched the war without proper intelligence, without an understanding of the limitations of air power (mimicking, amazingly enough, almost every major power with a sophisticated air force over the last 70 years) and without clear objectives. Add to that a disjointed command structure and a less well trained and less well motivated military than they have previously relied on, and they swiftly ran into huge problems.
The biggest problem is that air power results in excessive* civilian casualties while providing no guarantee of destruction of the target and that fighting in built-up urban areas carries the same risk to civilians – especially when you have less well trained soldiers.
*this note is to point out that i am not saying that civilian casualties of one are not excessive in normal language, but that there is a recognition in international law of proportional damage to a target’s military value.
CQ Politics.
Obama Pushes Congress to Act Swiftly on Stimulus.
** This should read Neocons and Republicans. You know the guys that created this train wreck in the first place. They want to tell us how to run the economy. 😈
Continued on CQ Politics
With all their expertise, Israeli defence somehow still confuses the large blue UN markings with bull’s eyes.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10551116
KR,
Somehow I doubt that that is the policy. If it had been, they have had 40 years to carry it out. The problems in the region are much more complex than an overarching plan for genocide or relocation.
Having said that, Jordan successfully carried out such a policy in 1970-71. At least 2,000 – and possibly as many as 20,000 – people, mainly Palestinians, died in a few months.
According to Wikipedia, around 5,000 Palestinians have died in the last decade or so as a result of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, along with 1,500 Israelis. Obviously, the Jordanian government’s execution of its master plan was a lot more successful than Israel’s.
The vast majority of people, including national leaders, are driven by events, rather than the other way around. Indeed, the international economic crisis is a very good example. This is something that people should always bear in mind.
megan,
It is easy to confuse things on a battlefield. Friendly fire incidents occur all the time. War sucks, basically. Technology has improved things, and will continue to do so, but there is no real protection for anyone, unfortunately.
I will point out here that it is western nations such as the United States who spend time and effort developing systems to try and minimise civilian casualties. (They do not work that well yet, I should add here). Nations like Israel adopt these systems; organisations like Hamas, on the other hand, try to find ways to maximise civilian casualties.
It may well be the case that the US and Israel only attempt to minimise civilian casualties because of fears of a public relations backlash. But that to me simply demonstrates that citizens in a democracy have power to influence the actions of their governments.
The Age.
Australia leading in technology.
Continued in the Age
I was wondering why it was taking so long. Here it is, with the help of Australian technology
Internet car radio a world first.
continued in the Age
The Revolution is coming. The Neocon dinosaurs will have no answer for this. The dinosaurs will be wiped out. 😈
I don’t think the Beatles imagined the revolution would quite happen like this.
Revoution The Beatles
513 – DG
The main mistaken premise is in relation to the Israel reason for the Israel-Lebanon war.
It had little to do with rockets initially. It was to retrieve two soldiers kidnapped by Hezbollah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War
[‘The conflict began when Hezbollah militants responded to Israeli incursions by firing rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.’]
Further, in viewing the prior history prior to the 2006 war, unlike the Hamas rocket attacks, there was little (if any) rocket attacks by Hezbollah on Israel.
Thus, the current lack of rocket attacks on Israel from Hezbollah, had little if nothing, to do with the Israel/Lebanon war. I also note that rocket attacks continued until the ceasefire.
[‘According to the Winograd Commission Report, the Second Lebanon War was regarded as a “missed opportunity” and that “Israel initiated a long war, which ended without a defined military victory”. The report continued to state that “a semi-military organization of a few thousand men resisted, for a few weeks, the strongest army in the Middle East, which enjoyed full air superiority and size and technology advantages”. Furthermore, Hezbollah’s rocket attacks continued throughout the war and the IDF did not provide an effective response to it. Following a long period of using standoff fire power and limited ground activities, the IDF launched a large scale ground offensive close to the UN Security Council’s resolution which imposed a cease-fire. “This offensive did not result in military gains and was not completed”.’]
I think we are both in agreeance as to the excessive civilian casualties and the points raised in your final two paragraphs 🙂
It’s going to be an interesting battle with digital radio vs Internet radio.
Imagine a six hour trip with the kids. An Internet radio each with ten to 20 kids stations pre tuned, plus a selection of DVD’s. They’ll never get bored. No more are we there yet?
asanque,
I agree that immediately prior to the war there were no rocket attacks on northern Israel. However, Hezbollah had fired many rockets into northern Israel in the past. Israel and Hezbollah have in the past signed at least two agreements in which Hezbollah either promised no further rocket attacks or no further rocket attacks on civilian targets.
As to the Israeli reason for the war, I think a reason is different from strategic objectives. (And I think that in that particular conflict the strategic objectives were not particularly clear).
We have statements by Hezbollah’s leadership made after the war regarding their realisation that rockets have limited utility. The war demonstrated that. Indeed, the Hezbollah leader stated that if he could do things over he would not have had the organisation act as it did in the lead-up to the war, as the war did not have a good result for them.
However, I accept your point that Hezbollah were not firing rockets prior to the war and thus the war may well have had zero effect in that regard.
Chris B,
I would still prefer teleportation. Darn scientists – get on with it, you lazy bastards!
524 David Gould What? To the Moon? Is that far enough?
They still have to sort out the problem of teleportation while traveling at warp 9. Apparently it still has a few bugs in it.
526 Chris B They have lost quite a few test pilots on this part of the program.
They tend to end up back in the past somewhere, 2 or 3 thousand years ago. Very lonely I understand. 😈
The Gaza conflict is over:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24891045-601,00.html
With a forceful resolution calling for ‘an immediate … ceasefire’, the UN has once again successfully ended a bloody conflict. It is unclear how the state of Israel or Hamas can survive such a well-written statement, especially as it has been placed on the internet in numerous places. Apparantly, the day of negotiation over the wording of the text was ‘dramatic’. But civilian casualties were successfully avoided, unlike in previous negotiating sessions in which some people got quite thirsty (the chardonay ran out) and others got paper cuts.
Chris B,
I want teleportation to Alpha Centauri implemented in my lifetime. But a booth getting me to work and back each day would be excellent.
As to those test pilots, what a pack of whingers. Did Chuck Yeagar complain when his intestines were being twisted into knots at mach 1?
523 DG
You will need to look back into the dim murky past when Israel was occupying Lebanon for substantive rocket attacks.
In the immediate few years preceding the Israel/Lebanon war, there were few if any rocket attacks from Hezbollah to Israel. The few examples were generally aimed at military personnel.
Although Israel could always use the US precedent of invading a country under a resolution for actions conducted over 10 years ago.
I have no issue with your argument that Hezbollah were hurt by the war.
In any war, it is rare for there to be any winners.
However, current events indicate that Hezbollah’s grip on the Lebanese government and Lebanese citizen has only strengthened as a consequence of the war. Whereas Israel’s standing plumbed the depths of Bush’s approval ratings and will have long-term ramifications.
This would seem the exact opposite of what Israel was trying to achieve. Whilst, I haven’t followed this conflict as closely, it would seem Israel are doomed to repeat their mistakes again.
529 – DG
I note the US abstained again.
There will never be any chance at world peace whilst the neocons are in charge.
Even without them, there is precious little chance.
Ultimately and sadly it doesn’t appear likely in our lifetimes.
However, what we will eventually need is the UN to become the dominant power in charge of world affairs. This can only be done with the support of the veto wielding nations. At present, the system is hopelessly flawed. However, we must remember that we should not throw the baby out with the bath water, and blame a governing body restricted by ridiculous impediments.
asanque,
The problem that I have with the UN is that it is made up of nations whose internal politics are anathema to the stated goals of the UN, especially regarding human rights.
I have more hope that the EU can form the kernel for a world superstructure. There should be fundamental requirements for membership of such an organisation.
3 keys words that prevent world peace
Religion
Nationalism
Neo-conservatism
(I could be cynical and say ‘humanity’)
And of course one of the main obstacles ‘lack of accountability’.
See the despotic reigns of Bush, Howard and Mugabe for countless examples 🙂
533 DG
I agree. Kudos to the EU.
I wonder if Australia can sign up.
The Euro is worth so much more then the AUD these days.
Hezbollah are certainly more powerful within Lebanon. But that internal strengthening is paralled by no action against Israel in that same period. From an Israeli perspective, that would seem a good thing.
And I agree with you that the war hurt Israel badly. But as to it being a loss, that is not so clear. (Again, it depends on what any individual defines as winning or losing, I guess.)
It actually looks to me as though Hezbollah have become a more political rather than military organisation. This is what I hoped for Hamas when they were elected to power in the Palestinian elections. I think that there were a number of lessons that Hezbollah learnt from the conflict with Israel, and the main one was that they no longer really want to fight Israel.
As to Israel and this recent conflict, militarily Israel have learnt a lot from their Lebanese experience. Israel are in the process of achieving their military goals and are taking far fewer casualties in doing so. Hamas may win the public relations war here, but their military capacity has been significantly reduced. It will be interesting to see if the same pattern emerges: if Hamas go down the political path instead of the military one.
533 David Gould I agree 100% with the EU. I think Obama and the USA will work very well with them. This has been lacking in the past. If the EU and the USA proposed a massive upgrading of the Internet infrastructure world wide, other nations would jump on board. It is in the interests of democracy. Places like Saudia Arabia, Iran and Australia would not be able to block or censor the Internet.
536 – DG
In the past 5 years prior to the Israel/Lebanon war, incidents between Hezbollah and Israel were minimal. It is hard to draw a causal link between the conflict, to the fact there have been no further incidents.
Just as I would say there is no causal link between the lack of terrorist attacks in the US and the Iraqis and Afghanistan wars.
As to Hezbollah being a political organisation, they had members in the Lebanese government prior to the conflict. They now have a lot more members. Prior to the conflict, there were hopes that the Lebanese had finally escaped Syrian influence and were becoming a better member of the international community. Hezbollah was there but not as prominent as they are now.
I do not want Hezbollah gaining a foothold into the Lebanese government, let alone Hamas gaining a foothold into the Palestine government. However, Israel’s actions whilst not the primary reason, acts as a catalyst. I also would contest that Hezbollah are less likely to fight Israel after the conflict. Their leadership has not changed and they are biding their time.
How can Hamas go any further down the political path? They are the current government 😛
Its also rare for acts of war to lead a country to more moderates in power.
538 asanque
“Its also rare for acts of war to lead a country to more moderates in power.” Spot on, it also seem to be the conservatives that start wars. Although in Israels example it is the more moderate government in power at the moment. Lets Netenyahu doesn’t win.
CNN
House to vote on stimulus after inauguration, Pelosi says.
Continued on CNN
539 Chris B I meant to say, Lets hope Netenyahu doesn’t win.
CNN
Obama may reverse Bush policies on stem cells, drilling, abortion.
Continued on CNN
The problem with HD video’s is that it impacts on your download a lot. unlimited download a the two main issues with the broadband Kevin needs to deal with.
542 CB
I think Obama has it easy.
He just needs to do a blanket reversal of every single one of Bush’s executive orders, and he wouldn’t be too far off.
544 asanque Apparently that takes some time, although I suspect having 59 senators would speed it up. Along with some moderates backing them as well.
Bush has been frantically issuing executive orders everywhere. About the only thing he hasn’t done yet is compulsory prayers every where. YET.
asanque, very much enjoying your contribution to the M.E. discussion.
If the players in the M.E. could be as civilised about the issues as has been apparent here over the last day’s comments, the bastards would have the whole bloomin’ shebang sorted in a jiffy.
Mr.Gould: “I want teleportation to Alpha Centauri implemented in my lifetime. But a booth getting me to work and back each day would be excellent.”
David, I can get you a season pass on the Rat-Race Hyperdrive at very competitive rates.
Fri Jan 9:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/nonsequitur;_ylt=A0WTUc0rAGdJ.ygBAAsDwLAF
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/65076
Fri Jan 9:
http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/bensargent;_ylt=A0WTUc0rAGdJ.ygBIgsDwLAF
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/65096
Thurs Jan 8:
http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/mikeluckovich;_ylt=A0WTUc0rAGdJ.ygBHQsDwLAF
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/65100
WARNING WARNING!!
THE FOLLOWING CARTOON CONTAINS SEXUAL POLITICS OF A BRUTAL NATURE.
Senator Conroy and assorted net censors, please ensure the children of Australia are not subjected to this vile and morally reprehensible material.
Fri Jan 9:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/thequigmans;_ylt=A0WTUc0rAGdJ.ygBBgsDwLAF
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Froomkin had some great background on the Panetta appointment yesterday in WaPo.
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/65069
All these puritanical bastards trying to prevent Burris and Franken from participating will have some serious questions to answer when the fallout from the Abramoff cesspit hits the oscilating blades connected to an AC squirell cage induction motor suspended from the ceiling.
There is never a dull moment in Seppo politics. They are forever unearthing corruption at it’s best.
Looks like Mr Ring should avoid small aircraft flights as well.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Abramoff-Trail-Might-B-by-Roger-Shuler-090108-606.html
How do you know if you’re a player in Seppo politics?
On a regular basis you will be the recipient of the following utterance:
“As your attorney, I advise you to not travel in any light aircraft.”
And it looks as if a few Democrats may bite the dust as well.
From a link to the Daily Kos from 547;
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/2/0828/92837/28/679346
549
Even if the wings are welded on. LOL
If they really want to “displace” someone, a cheap IED planted near the tail with a detonation timing device will do the trick everytime. Primitive but near foolproof and always lethal.
Only two people know who did it. Controller and field agent affixer. In case of heat, agent is made an offer he can’t refuse.
Here is the video of Barack Obama being officially declared President-Elect of the United States of America.
Electoral College Vote Count
the six Goppers that want to be King Gopper were to front a GOP meeting to air their views. Looks like it was a disaster.
The GOP is Swirling the Drain;
http://indigentahole.blogspot.com/2009/01/gop-is-swirling-drain.html
DG
“War sucks, basically”
and there my friend, you and I come to agreement.
It doesn’t work.
And it won’t this time. And surely that is the whole point.
If Israel’s “strategy” was going to improve the situation then all hail to them. But it won’t.
As for Obi –
he faces the Perfect Storm – financial meltdown , an escalation of war in the middle-east and a further deterioration of relations betwwen Islam and the West, and enviromental armageddon.
May he be the saviour we need, (but of course he can’t be – even Jesus H,. himself would be hardpressed this time.)
Yay Catrina
How you have grown in stature in just a year to receive this recognition. Great stuff. You little Ripper.
http://www.worldsgreatestbusinessmind.com/20090107-Catrina-Ticsters101-create.html&WT.mc_id=WGBM%7CCreate
557
ROTFL
What a cracker Gaffy.
“The vision of Lee Kuan Yew” eh?
I’ll bet Catrina is warming up the electrodes in honour of your upcoming visit to the Tickster’s dungeon as I type.
For all the rev heads!
Fuck fossil fuels?
Obama’s new ‘Beast’ unleashed;
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24892007-5012572,00.html
543 Chris B What I meant to say was speed and unlimited download a the two main issues with the broadband Kevin needs to deal with.
550 Gaffhook If they can’t get them on war crimes, they’ll get em on Jack Abramhoff related crimes.
Well done Catrina, it couldn’t have gone to a better person. The Three Amigo’s will be spitting chips. After all it was them that gave you the motivation, and now you’ve won a deserving award.
Gaffhook at 557
😳
But what about Sarah?
She deserves some credit – no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAKmHgkLsM
On the other hand …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E&feature=related
Blagsonofabitch impeached.
Chicago tribune. Link in right column;
Pilger:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21680.htm
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20090109_smile_fish_obama_gaza/
Fisk:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090109_why_do_they_hate_the_west_so_much_we_will_ask/
“Arendt”:
{“The more you realize that war criminals might be ordinary people, the more afraid you become,” she wrote. What Drakulić discovered, in other words, is what Hannah Arendt, at the trial of Adolf Eichmann, in Jerusalem, some forty years earlier, called “the fearsome, word-and-thought-defying banality of evil.”…….Arendt’s concept has become so famous that it is hard to remember how bitterly controversial it was when she first used it……..Yet even those who dispute Arendt’s judgment acknowledge her influence on the way we think about political evil. As long as ordinary people can be transformed overnight into mass murderers, we are still living in Hannah Arendt’s world}
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2009/01/12/090112crat_atlarge_kirsch?yrail
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt
Meanwhile, Israel via “Operation Hannahwho”, continues to bestow jehovah’s gift of freedom and democracy upon all Palestinians in the Palestinian homeland of Gaza that Palestinian human beings have habitated since ancient, pre-biblical times.
Before state-sanctioned religions were invented.
Ecky, the reports that do manage to get out of Gaza are so appalling and sickening that there are no words strong enough to condemn this barbarism. Israel’s ugly fascist nature, disguised as ‘self defence’, is there for all the world to see.
We can no longer be “eyeless in Gaza”, or else we are complicit in these shocking crimes.
On a lighter note, but perhaps not too distantly related to the horrors in the Middle East, is this gem from Nancy Pelosi who was on Lehrer yesterday.
Pelosi carefully avoided a full frontal mockery of GW Bush, but noted that he was on Jay Leno and was asked what his greatest achievement was, to which the Idiot Decider replied: my attempt to privatise Social Security!
Pelosi politely pointed out that this failure was the beginning of his demise and that it garnered almost universal disapproval. So that was his ‘greatest achievement’? Pelosi was scathing in her deferential way, pointing out that Bush’s reign was one of massive missed opportunities and self-inflicted calamities.
Keillor was right, this guy is a happy idiot who simply refuses to acknowledge his own colossal limitations. Others are not so blind, however.
2.6 million jobs lost in the US in 2008. (Bush’s ‘greatest achievement’?)
It’ll surely be double digits later this year despite Obama’s best efforts to try and defibrilate this comatose economy.
Economists are gaga at the numbers and falling over themselves to find the right adjectives. They are in free fall, and terminal velocity is still a way off yet.
563 Catrina I’m convinced to vote one Katie Couric.
EU Observer
Talking about the EU and the USA.
Merkel and Sarkozy call for global ‘economic security’ council.
These are the only two conservative governments that continually work in favour of the European Union. No matter witch government is in power in either country they are always working together. There is two reasons behind this. World War One and World War two. Other conservative governments have quite often tried to be far less helpful.
continued in the EU Observer
TEN DAYS OF THE MORON TO GO!
Not that I’m counting.
Gaffers @501
just read the Rude Pundit’s love ode to Anne Coulter. He’s such a romantic !
New thread up, Ticsters. Our first bookclub!
Is this one still going?
Politico.
Warner bucks GOP-ers, backs Holder.
continued on Politico
Is the book club a separate thread altogether? Does this one continue?
Politico.
GOP playing tug-of-war on Obama plan.
continued on Politico
#578 The Republicans are well and truly wedged. 😆
Yes, Chris , this one’s still going. Like the sign says, “We Never Close”. After a few days Cat might shift bookclub to the side column but we’ve got a good few days to run it mainpage ahead of inauguration.
Bottomlinewise, all threads are fully operational.
🙂
Thanks.
The Hill.
Scalpers cash in on Obama’s inaugural parade tix.
Tcontinued on The Hill
The Atlantic.
It’s Time To Play Oddsmaker.
continued on The Atlantic
Maybe another one bites the dust?
Political Wire.
Will Voinovich Retire?
continued on Political Wire
The time has come. The time has come. The Time is now.
Just go Go Go! I don’t care how. You can go by foot.
You can go by cow. George W. Bush will you please go now!
You can go on skates. You can go on skis. You can go in a hat.
But please go Please! I don’t care You can go by bike.
You can go on a Zike-Bike if you like.
If you like you can go in an old blue shoe. Just go, go Go!
Please do, do DO! George W. Bush I don’t care how.
George W. Bush Will you please GO NOW!
Apologies to DR. Seuss
For all the looney left loopies this is a pretty good summary of where they might be at re the imbecile and his mates and war crimes. i sncerely hope they follow it throgh.
Preliminary Memorandum of the Justice Robert H. Jackson Conference on Federal Prosecutions of War Criminals;
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Preliminary-Memorandum-Of-by-Lawrence-Velvel-090109-803.html
Sara Palin to be President of Russia in 2012. Games on!
As if Things Weren’t Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.;
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
The reality is, at the end of the day, in the fullness of time going forward……
http://business.smh.com.au/business/colour-your-language–no-not-more-swearing-20090109-7dod.html
Sat Jan 10:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/nonsequitur;_ylt=A0WTUfZbb2hJ838BzALX.sgF
Fri Jan 9:
http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/tonyauth;_ylt=AsApmUp_PjwExTuTY47EPiol6ysC
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/65126
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/65143
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“……….the stiffened-spine caucus in the House reached 26 members today: 4 who voted no and 22 voting “present” in a gesture of stoic disapproval.
Compare today’s outcome to 2006, when the combined total of no and present votes was only 12, and we could be seeing a slow but welcome shift of the dialogue towards political leeway for lawmakers to criticize Israel.”
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/more_house_members_stand_up_to_israel_than_in_06.php
Link to page 1 of the above article.
Article in #586
Chris we have a neat method of how to answer DG now.
This is a very constructive flow chart and really hilarious to read.
How to do it and not get it from someone who’s got it and can’t get rid of it. Click on it to enlarge so you can read it. LOL
U.S. Air Force releases flow chart of ‘counter-blog’ reponse plan.»
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/08/usaf-blogger-flowchart/
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Sorry Chris i knew i had effed up but forgot to go change it.
588
EC
If it takes that long for them to increase the numbers by the time they have enough there will be SFA of the place left to vote about.
George Bush Is a Genius;
http://www.opednews.com/articles/George-Bush-is-a-Genius-by-The-Liberty-Voice-090109-767.html
Au Revoir, Sayonara, Haere Ra, Fuck off Imbecile.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Goodbye-to-Bush-in-Three-M-by-David-Swanson-090109-593.html
591 Gaffhook But you can get an injection for it now days. Sometimes it leaves a nasty rash. 😈
CBS News.
Obama’s Mother-In-Law Moving In.
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Huffington Post.
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New thread.
The Sound of Children