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The Longest Odds

I want to thank all the speakers and performers for reminding us, through song and through words, just what it is that we love about America. And I want to thank all of you for braving the cold and the crowds and traveling in some cases thousands of miles to join us here today. Welcome to Washington, and welcome to this celebration of American renewal.

In the course of our history, only a handful of generations have been asked to confront challenges as serious as the ones we face right now. Our nation is at war. Our economy is in crisis. Millions of Americans are losing their jobs and their homes; they’re worried about how they’ll afford college for their kids or pay the stack of bills on their kitchen table. And most of all, they are anxious and uncertain about the future – about whether this generation of Americans will be able to pass on what’s best about this country to our children and their children.

I won’t pretend that meeting any one of these challenges will be easy. It will take more than a month or a year, and it will likely take many. Along the way there will be setbacks and false starts and days that test our fundamental resolve as a nation. But despite all of this – despite the enormity of the task that lies ahead – I stand here today as hopeful as ever that the United States of America will endure – that the dream of our founders will live on in our time.

Nie bez powodu leki na Efekty niepożądane, które mogą wystąpić podczas kuracji środkami na poprawę erekcji receptę powinny być zażywane zgodnie z zaleceniami lekarzy. Bezpieczeństwo stosowania potwierdza dokumentacja i rekomendacje środowiska medycznego.

What gives me that hope is what I see when I look out across this mall. For in these monuments are chiseled those unlikely stories that affirm our unyielding faith – a faith that anything is possible in America. Rising before us stands a memorial to a man who led a small band of farmers and shopkeepers in revolution against the army of an Empire, all for the sake of an idea. On the ground below is a tribute to a generation that withstood war and depression – men and women like my grandparents who toiled on bomber assembly lines and marched across Europe to free the world from tyranny’s grasp. Directly in front of us is a pool that still reflects the dream of a King, and the glory of a people who marched and bled so that their children might be judged by their character’s content. And behind me, watching over the union he saved, sits the man who in so many ways made this day possible.

And yet, as I stand here tonight, what gives me the greatest hope of all is not the stone and marble that surrounds us today, but what fills the spaces in between. It is you – Americans of every race and region and station who came here because you believe in what this country can be and because you want to help us get there. It is the same thing that gave me hope from the day we began this campaign for the presidency nearly two years ago; a belief that if we could just recognize ourselves in one another and bring everyone together – Democrats, Republicans, and Independents; Latino, Asian, and Native American; black and white, gay and straight, disabled and not – then not only would we restore hope and opportunity in places that yearned for both, but maybe, just maybe, we might perfect our union in the process. This is what I believed, but you made this belief real. You proved once more that people who love this country can change it. And as I prepare to assume the presidency, yours are the voices I will take with me every day I walk into that Oval Office – the voices of men and women who have different stories but hold common hopes; who ask only for what was promised us as Americans – that we might make of our lives what we will and see our children climb higher than we did.

It is this thread that binds us together in common effort; that runs through every memorial on this mall; that connects us to all those who struggled and sacrificed and stood here before.

It is how this nation has overcome the greatest differences and the longest odds – because there is no obstacle that can stand in the way of millions of voices calling for change.

That is the belief with which we began this campaign, and that is how we will overcome what ails us now. There is no doubt that our road will be long. That our climb will be steep. But never forget that the true character of our nation is revealed not during times of comfort and ease, but by the right we do when the moment is hard. I ask you to help me reveal that character once more, and together, we can carry forward as one nation, and one people, the legacy of our forefathers that we celebrate today.

Transcript
Obama’s Speech at the Lincoln Memorial
Washington, D.C.

Sunday, January 18, 2009

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New Bolivia constitution in force.

Bolivia’s President Evo Morales has enacted a new constitution that aims to empower the country’s indigenous majority and allows for land reform.

Mr Morales said he had accomplished his mission to re-found Bolivia.

The new constitution was approved in a referendum last month by 61% of voters, but was rejected in the lowland regions where Bolivia’s wealth is concentrated.

The constitution also scraps the single term limit for the president, allowing Mr Morales to seek re-election.

Mr Morales is Bolivia’s first indigenous president.

more on BBC News

TV legend Brian Naylor found dead.

FORMER Nine Network newsreader Brian Naylor and his wife Moiree have been killed after Victoria’s single deadliest bushfire, the Kinglake Complex, razed their property on Saturday.

In a statement, Naylor’s lawyer John Beckwith, of Beckwith Cleverdon Rees, confirmed the tragedy on Sunday evening.

“The family of Brian and Moiree Naylor are mourning the loss of their father, mother and grandparents in the tragic fire at Kinglake West,” the statement said.

“They request that their grief and privacy be respected by the media at this time of great family distress.”

It’s like loosing a personal friend.
The Herald Sun

Pleased you are safe, Jen. We were all very worried.
My daughter just phoned from England and I had to explain that it is better to stay here (where the nearest fire is a good 80 k away) than just go! somewhere, anywhere!

Hi again- 4:30 now – had few hours sleep and it has cooled down at last. Very smoky and still outside – the odd small flash from lightning but nothing too serious. Fire must be still burning in other direction at the moment.
Saw a map of where this complex is and no doubt we are pretty close – about 3 k’s away. if the wind changes we would be in serious trouble so fingers crossed. There is no rain predicted at all so i can’t see how or when this is going to stop…

ben some thunder and lightning but so far no new fires. Pretty quiet at the moment. My sister is starting to feel the trauma – dozens she knows hve died. She is utterly distraught, but also knowing how lucky they were to survive – it will be a long road for those communities.

Some cheerful news.

Ann Coulter Under Investigation For Voter Fraud.
The New York Daily News reports that Ann Coulter is under investigation by the Connecticut Elections Enforcement Commission for allegedly voting in that state while registered to vote in New York City.

more on The Huffington Post

I can imagine your sister will have a lot of trauma to work through. Guilt being one of them. It apparently helps if she talks directly about things that happen, not ignore them. For instance, soldiers that went through war trauma are replaying the nightmares and things that happen to them, to speed up recovery.

During the last couple of days as a result of putting emails on their site the BBC spoke to me 3 times. The first time was at 3 am Sunday morning.

Jen, thank goodness you and your family are safe thus far. I can’t imagine how your sister must been feeling, knowing so many who have died.

I always knew the Vatican was run by a bunch of sick perverts. This confirms it.

In an extraordinary turn of events, the country’s prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, after consultation with the Vatican, has issued an emergency decree stating that food and water cannot be suspended for any patient depending upon them, reversing the earlier court ruling. On issuing the emergency decree, Berlusconi declared: “This is murder. I would be failing to rescue her. I’m not a Pontius Pilate.”

Justifying his campaign to save Englaro’s life, the prime minister added that, physically at least, she was “in the condition to have babies”, a remark described by La Stampa newspaper as “shocking”. Giorgio Napolitano, Italy’s president, has refused to sign the decree, but if it is ratified by the Italian parliament doctors may be obliged to resume the feeding of Eluana early this week.

more on The Guardian

Glad to hear you are OK Jen and your sister as well.
Time and talking are the greatest healers in my experience.
Our sympaties from North Qld go out to all those who have suffered in this tragedy.
Also watched the news this morning and Beechworth got a mention.
Please check in here now and then if you get the chance to let us know you are OK, but until all the danger has passed for the moment don’t get bogged down on here and miss what’s happening in your immediate vicinity.
Keep safe.

Very happy to hear your ok jen, had us worried I can tell ya. Great news that your sister is safe, I don’t know what to say about her loss though except that myself and my family will have a good thought for her today

Thanks Gaffers and KatieLou – it’s actually good to be able to get here: all we can do is wait and listen to ABC (doing a good job during this), so it’s good to have some distaction. Sorry Chris- but politics just isn’t doing it for me today.

In my boredom I popped over the fence – I am truly astounded that some people can make fodder out of this unbelievable tragedy. Fuck i’m glad we left.

Just binned it –
Thanks Spammy: I still think of your community about the horrible tragedy they have endured…I really don’t know how people will get through this unimaginable loss – not only thier homes, livelihoods, towns but dozens of loved ones. Truly incomprehensible. And it really does help knowing so many people care. Thanks again.

1620 Katielou Its a matter of what we’re are not on. I have been posting to The BBC News and The Huffington post. All the major services are covering us.

1621 jen Probably got it here, I attacked Bush, Howard and Andrew Bolt as part of the cause.

Thanks David.
Just waiting and watching the smoke getting thicker – parent’ home is under threat at Cottlesbridge. They had left to safety but my father decided to go back and try and save it. thankfully he returned safely – house still under threat, but doesn’t matter.

Lovely to hear your virtual voice Jen. 🙂
So glad to know you are OK.
Sorry to hear of your sister’s troubles and loss.
I agree with you about the grand job the ABC is doing getting out the various news bulletins.

Just got back to Sth Gippsland this am and was saddened to see there’s now a fire burning on Wilson’s prom. (looks to be in the 5 mile beach area.)
Just hope the CFA can bring the statewide blazes under some sort of control before the weather gets hot again at the weekend.

Stay safe .
Cheers and hugs Paddy

I love to read the stories of escape, but I cannot bear to read the personal accounts of loss.

I can’t read any of it yet KatieLou- all too close to home . My sister lived near Kinglake – too, too close to believe they escaped when so many didn’t.
Toll is rising by the hour – now warning it could go to 200 plus.

1641 Katielou Good article. Plenty of food for thought there. I know Brumby will do the right thing he was extremely emotional and nearly lost has parents.

Ohio Likes Obama, Economic Efforts: Many Who Voted Against Him Back Him, Pollster Says.

Ohio voters gave Barack Obama just a 4 percentage-point margin of victory in November, but he’s wildly popular in the state now — and so is his economic-stimulus plan.

The Buckeye State approves of the new president’s job performance 67 percent to 16 percent, according to a new Quinnipiac Poll.

“The honeymoon between President Obama and Ohioans is still going,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Connecticut university’s polling institute.

“President Obama’s numbers are stratospheric. … What this number means is that an awful lot of Ohioans who didn’t vote for him are giving him a thumbs up.”

Obama is winning positive marks from 90 percent of Democrats, 72 percent of independents and even 31 percent of Republicans. Perhaps most astonishing, his performance is given approval by 52 percent of white, born-again evangelicals — a group that has strongly supported Republican presidential candidates in recent years.

The istockanalyst

1644 Katielou Not surprising, and I don’t think [Interrupted here by the BBC wanting to do a radio interview. Will call back in half an hour to an hour] there will be any cover ups etc.

Initial reports that Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) would be appointed Commerce secretary were invariably followed with a caveat that Gov. John Lynch (D) had agreed to appoint another Republican to fill the vacancy, thereby maintaining the current Senate balance of power and denying Senate Democrats a 60-vote majority.

The crucial question, however, is not whether New Hampshire’s soon-to-be- appointed Senator is a Republican or will caucus with Republicans, but whether she will vote with Democrats to limit debate when other Republicans are trying to keep a filibuster going or pass a key amendment.

If Sen.-designee Bonnie Newman becomes the Democrats’ 60th vote to bring the Employee Free Choice Act to the floor (assuming it ever gets that far) or to confirm a judge that other Republicans oppose, it won’t matter what her party affiliation is.

more on the Rothenberg Report

It appears from #1647 that the Democrats now have control of the senate. Bonnie Newman is a Republican in name only, she calls herself a moderate Republican. It also leaves the seat wide open.

Eliminate Filibuster and With it the Need to Debate Republicans.

From the pains Democrats take to out-argue and/or to compromise with the fringe minority party called the Republicans you’d think no other course of action was available, specifically you’d have to assume that the filibuster — the power of senators representing 11 percent of us to block all work by the House and Senate — is written in stone. In reality, 51 senators could eliminate the filibuster or change the number of votes required to use it. This nation got along for many years without the filibuster and could do so again. It is no more a part of our Constitution than the CIA, enemy combatants, corporate persons, or the political parties that allow the filibuster to wreak such havoc with our so-called democracy.

continued on Oped News

The problem is, once you eliminate it, when you lose power, you are stuffed. It was put in place to reduce the chances of any single party gaining total control.

1650 David Gould You are right. But it is highly un democratic as it is. So a little more democracy won’t go astray.

Its a good excuse for giving the Republicans unfair control. Maybe introduce proportional representation and one vote one value would be a lot better.

The system as it has been is stuffed, while the Democrats have got control, they should reform it. Otherwise the Repugs will return after a Millenium or two and take control. Do like the Victorian Labor Party did reform the upper house while they had control.

Hi again- just dropping in to get some respite. Spoke to Angie (survivor sister)… “I have so many funerals to go to, I dont know how to do this”… and she is one of the few lucky people given her location (Kinglake) , the intensity of the house exploding into flames and the sheer arse-luck that a truck drove past and saw them in all the blackness and smoke – honestly within an inch of their lives. And yet so many not surviving.
Sorry – don’t know what to say… the loss our communities and people are facing is utterly beyond words. Feel so fortunate when I see the footage and then so bad for the agony that so many are going through now – and on and on…
some bastards started this- for fun.

Poll: Limbaugh Could Galvanize Dems, Alienate Independents.

A new Gallup poll explains why Democrats are now so eager to connect the anti-stimulus bill Republicans to Rush Limbaugh, and to set up Rush as the new Leader of the Opposition: Independents hate him, he can galvanize Democrats…and Republican voters actually do like him.

continued on TPM

Just got proof that there Is No God. Turned around from my profound outpouring and there was… Fucking John Howard and Fucking Peter Costello in an ad on the ABC in my face . you would think they would try and be more sensitive 😡

1656
Our thoughts are with you Jen.
There’s so much pain and sadness wafting though the state right now.
Hang in there girl and hold your loved ones tight.
The grieving will proceed at it’s own pace and can’t be rushed. 🙁

Stay safe and keep your guard up for the next few days.
The right words are so hard to find, but the feelings are real.

Take care, Paddy.

Mary Aito and Esther Akino had never met before. The only thing they had shared before last week was sitting their final secondary school exams. They come from different areas and their villages are a distance apart.

But now, in a room serving as a community resource centre in Katine, north-east Uganda, they are seated side by side being taught basic computer skills, along with two local boys.

These are the first beneficiaries of the community room that has been set up at the offices of the African Medical and Research Foundation (Amref) in the sub-county, as part of the Katine community partnership project.

more on the Guardian

Thanks .
have to say that right now I really like Kevin Rudd – clearly distressed and human reaction. Very moving.
And Julia’s parliamentary address.
but also have to say Malcolm seemed a bit forced (but I could be biased) 😉

Obama grassroots network meets over stimulus.

Thousands of groups of ardent fans of U.S. President Barack Obama met across the country during the weekend in hopes of converting the grassroots energy that fueled his election campaign into a durable movement.

The meetings were the first test of Organizing for America, a body that wants the army of 13 million people who signed up for Obama’s record-shattering campaign to be harnessed to his presidential agenda.

But even supporters say they fear it could be difficult to sustain the campaign’s momentum.

A survey of nearly a dozen meetings out of thousands that occurred from Alaska to Florida showed mixed results.

more on Reuters

They were just discussing the psychological issues on the news. Beyond Blue said, look to routine. Sleeplessness is a sign. Talk about the issues. Watch your friends. It all won’t come out straight away.

***Feel so fortunate when I see the footage and then so bad for the agony that so many are going through now – and on and on…
some bastards started this- for fun.***

Tempting to say you need to let that go jen but, well, one thing that I have learn’t is that there is no answer or method. Deal with this anyway you can, know that we are here for you and well…
well fuck I don’t know, just try and deal with it as best as you can ok 🙂 🙁 (ffs, fucking crying now, how are you suposed to make a “smiley” that also means your crying)

grrrrrrmmnnbrrrreeeeewrrrrrraaaaaaahhh!! (somebody should create a fucking smiley for that!!!!)

/ rant over

Long road ahead jen, long road. your amongst friends

Morning. We are safe . Beechworth fire has been downgraded to Alert rather than Urgent Threat in our area. Some flanks still threatening towns – 2 people died in samll town nearby.
Sister’s township just gtes more and more distressing – total toll at 173 but it will definitely keep growing. She lived right between St Andrews and Kinglake so has many friends in both towns . Parents near Strathewen. Total of about 70 dead so far – many children amongst them.
I may try and get down to see them in the next day or so depending on fire situation.
I’m feeling good today – we are such a fortunate family. Do have moments though when I see what they escaped from and what might have been.

jen, take it slowly, it’s an enormous thing to get your mind around and that much human horror is going to be very traumatic to absorb. Your family is very lucky, but don’t let anyone feel guilty as so easily happens amidst so much tragedy.

“I’m feeling good today – we are such a fortunate family. Do have moments though when I see what they escaped from and what might have been.”

jen, thank Tchopitoulas you made it through the worst of it with kinder, life and limb intact.
So many neighbours without partners and kin and doors and walls and fences. So many who now reach out who we’ll need to be there for.
Being an “excitable lass” (we know you, jen, or at least we’ve got a pretty fucken good idea after our time in blogdom) please take special care that you refrain from becoming emotionally overdrawn during the coming weeks. Maybe keep your “batteries” charged for the poor buggers who’ll need jump-starting the most, but don’t flatten yourself.
🙂 xx, Ecky.

Spurred on by President Barack Obama, an $838 billion economic recovery plan advanced toward passage in the Senate on Tuesday, after clearing a last procedural hurdle with the help of three Republicans on Monday evening.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), ill with cancer, returned for the 61-36 roll call in a dramatic show of Democratic unity behind Obama — and a landmark shift in fiscal policy in the face of the economic crisis facing the nation.

Republican support was confined to three moderates: Maine Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe and Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. All had a major hand in negotiating provisions in the bill, including a Collins-Specter deal last Friday to scale back the package by $108 billion. But the lack of more bipartisan support remains a disappointment for the White House and leaves the president battling criticism from his defeated rival, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).

John McCain looks like he has turned nasty. No more maverick.
more on Politico

STIMULUS BILL PASSES SENATE TEST VOTE, 61-36.

An $838 billion economic stimulus bill backed by the White House survived a key test vote in the Senate on Monday despite strong Republican opposition, and Democratic leaders vowed to deliver legislation for President Barack Obama’s signature within a few days.

The vote was 61-36, one more than the 60 needed to advance the measure toward Senate passage on Tuesday. That in turn, will set the stage for possibly contentious negotiations with the House on a final compromise on legislation the president says is desperately needed to tackle the worst economic crisis in more than a generation.

The Senate vote occurred as the Obama administration moved ahead on another key component of its economic recovery plan. Officials said Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner would outline rules on Tuesday for $350 billion in bailout funds designed to help the financial industry as well as homeowners facing foreclosure.

continued on the Huffington Post

Leahy: Investigate Bush Now.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy insisted on Monday in firm and passionate terms that a comprehensive investigation be launched into the conduct of the Bush administration, saying anything less would prevent the country from moving forward.

Speaking at a forum at Georgetown University, the Vermont Democrat suggested the creation of a truth and reconciliation commission to uncover the “misdeeds” of the past eight years.

“Many Americans feel we need to get to the bottom of what went wrong,” said Leahy. “I agree. We need to be able to read the page before we turn the page.”

The Senator also stated that Attorney General Eric Holder never gave assurances to Republican Senators that he would not prosecute Bush administration officials who may have been involved in illegalities such as authorizing torture or warrantless wiretapping.

more on the Huffington Post

Coleman Says ‘God Wants Me to Serve’.

While Al Franken remains fairly elusive, Norm Coleman is keeping a high profile these days as his court challenge of the Minnesota U.S. Senate recount plods along.

Coleman is adept, somewhat too adept, his critics might say, at skillfully tailoring his message to his audience, and that skill set was on full display Friday.

On Friday, Coleman made the media rounds with radio interviews that included conservative nationally syndicated radio talk show host Mike Gallagher. Gallagher, an unyielding fiscal and religious conservative, who hosts one of the Top 10 rated talk shows in the country, has been an outspoken critic of the Congressional stimulus legislation. When Gallagher asked Coleman what he thought of the stimulus bill, Coleman replied that he would not sign on to it. Coleman did not, however, offer any thoughts as to whether a stimulus bill of some kind would be a good thing for the country and the state of Minnesota (no doubt because Gallagher, and perhaps a large share of his 4 million weekly listeners, is opposed to any sort of government ‘bailout’ – of industries or state governments).

When asked about the recount and how it is affecting him personally, Coleman said he starts every day with a prayer and that he knows “God wants me to serve.” Coleman did later temper those rather immodest remarks by adding that he “is not indispensable” and that others can serve as well. Coleman closed the interview with an appeal to Gallagher’s listeners for contributions to his campaign website.

continued on Smart Politics.

Ferny, now is probably not the time to start a heated debate about causes, but essentially Packham’s argument is correct; we’ve failed to reduce fuel loads, among other things. For a list of those, see:

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/bushfires-$pd20090210-P4U79?OpenDocument&src=sph

No doubt all of this will get argued about during the Royal Commission, but the facts are inescapable: increase fuel loads to high levels, wait for extreme conditions, and colossal tragedy will ensue.

As the ferocity of the fires has shown, it’s way too late to stop once they get started. The only solution to having people live in and around heavily timbered areas is to reduce the fuel load with well managed reduction burning, and then, if there is a fire, lives and homes need not be lost on such a catastrophic scale.

I’ve lived in the bush, love it, but letting it get to the potential of a nuclear bomb by not keeping down the fuel load is just playing dice with death. And proper burning off is not a threat to the bush’s diversity or viability.

Sex is good for you: For fighting cancer to the common cold it’s just what the doctor ordered (and men benefit most!).

Making love could be one of the few pleasures in life that is genuinely good for you, say researchers.

Not only does a healthy sex life boost mood, but there is growing evidence to show it boosts your physical well-being, too – from increasing longevity to reducing the risk of erectile dysfunction and even heart attack.

Only last month, researchers at Nottingham University concluded that men who kept up a regular sex life in their 50s were also at lower risk of developing prostate cancer.

more on the Mail Online

Saudi princess speaks out in support of lifting the country’s ban on women drivers.

The wife of one of Saudi Arabia’s richest men says she is ready to get behind the wheel as soon as the ban on women drivers is lifted.

Princess Amira al-Taweel, who is married to global tycoon Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, told the Saudi daily Al-Watan that she already drives when she travels abroad.

‘Certainly I’m ready to drive a car,’ said Amira, whose husband is a nephew of Saudi King Abdallah and is ranked as the world’s 13th-richest person by Forbes magazine.

Anyone fancy being sinfully tempted?
more on the Mail Online

Leahy Wants `Truth Commission’ To Examine Bush Administration.

Sen. Patrick J. Leahy , D-Vt., proposed Monday the creation of an independent commission to examine alleged wrongdoing during the Bush administration.

Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, gave few details about what form such a commission might take in a speech at Georgetown University but proposed investigating everything from the Bush administration’s detainee and interrogation policies to the war in Iraq and the firing of U.S. Attorneys. He also suggested such a commission should examine instances “where oversight committees were lied to.”

Leahy suggested those who testified before such a commission could receive immunity against prosecution as a way to encourage people “to come forward and share their knowledge.”

“We need to come to a shared understanding of the failures of the recent past,” Leahy said.

Leahy said he wanted to find a “middle ground to find the truth” and thus positioned himself in the center of the ongoing debate among Democrats about whether to investigate the Bush administration’s decisions. President Obama has signaled he doesn’t necessarily want to delve into the actions of his predecessor while Leahy’s counterpart in the House, John Conyers Jr. , D-Mich., has introduced legislation (HR 104) to create a more narrowly focused commission to examine presidential war powers and civil liberties that could lead to prosecutions.

more on CQ Politics

Why Won’t Obama Play Hardball?

So those few centrist-luvin’ Republicans are having their 15 minutes (and $100 billion) worth of fame, crafting a so-called compromise stimulus package that slices a chunk off the House’s $920 billion version, while adding more tax cuts to the plan. And President Barack Obama has blessed their efforts.

He shouldn’t have been so magnanimous–at least, not at first.

A nation in trouble elected Obama and his fellow Democrats decisively in the past election. The Republicans were disavowed by the public. So Obama owes them little. True, on the campaign he talked often about rising above partisan rancor. But what do you do when there is a real split in opinion between the parties and the minority party tries to obstruct the efforts of the majority party to address a profound crisis?

more on CQ Politics

1688
Paddy

but no flavors have been attributed to the Bush administration…

Well Paddy if it looks like shit and it taste like shit……………..!!

And i have only met one bloke reckons he was that hungry he could eat a shit sandwich, except he hated bread.

1689
KL
I think he wedged himself in the corner and the only way out without it looking like a complete backflip is to get Rudd to even say good morning to him. That way he can say that we sat down with the government and now it has been explained properly we will agree with it. Until some one in govt gives them that “out” they are stuck with “we will not support this package”.
When it gets passed by the minor parties voting with the Govt he will be “stuck at the cliff edge”. The only thing that will then save him is if the package goes to hell in a hand basket in the next 18 months.
If X or F vote it down then there will be lots of irate people who have already spent their $950 wanting Malcolms blood.
So either way it is quite possibly the toilet flushing because if it is very successful he will be even worse off. LOL
He will be the shit in the 1690 sandwich.

I largely agree Gaffhook. I think there’s no way Rudd will suffer significant future damage from this package being implemented. Even if the economy takes a further dive, I think the majority will think – at least he tried to do something, and the gliobal economic situation is so bad, the predicament can’t be blamed on Rudd. So, I think Aquaman took a losing strategy, no matter how you look at it.

( I forget where people first started calling him Aquaman – Turnbull’s a little bit blue, and little bit green, and a little bit wet.)

Ooops, here we go again:

Russia will request negotiations with European and other foreign banks to postpone repayment on up to $US400 billion ($600 billion) of its private sector debt, Japan’s Nikkei business daily said today.

…anyone remember 1998? Well it sunk the then boy wonders and their Long Term Capital Management fund to the tune of billions and the US government bailed them out.

Who said history only rhymes? LOL

Gloves off:

“It’s a little hard for me to take criticism from folks about this recovery package after they presided over a doubling of the national debt,” he said at the news conference. “I’m not sure they have a lot of credibility when it comes to fiscal responsibility.”

…no they haven’t, but putting up a ‘stimulus plan’ so larded with pork and heavily weighted by a political agenda was always going to get opposition.

The inspiration is out, the perspiration is in.

If, as they should know, the big US banks are insolvent, then why aren’t the Obama crew doing the sensible thing and taking them over and writing off the shareholders? Could it be they’re too afraid to take on the powerful interests that would fight them to the death of this?

Probably.

Here’s the options, in a good video clip on:

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/172003/FT%27s-Wolf-U.S.-Too-%22Politically-Frightened%22-to-Admit-Truth-About-Banks-Part-I?tickers=XLF,C,RBS,LYG,BCS,FAZ,SKF

…and if Martin Wolf is right, then look out, we’re in a for a long and painful spiral into oblivion.

It’s still pretty hard to get your head around the enormity of the whole bushfire thing. Even with the news I suspect that is only a tiny bit of the whole thing. I also think that the mental scars will be appearing in various ways for a long time into the future.

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