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Game, Set, Match?

The drama over the August break was largely predictable and for the most part has burnt itself out. The death of Ted Kennedy disrupted the news feed and it’s only in the last 24 hours that the talking heads have managed to refocus on the downside to throwing grandma off the train (or a Republican if that’s your preferred option).

In the meantime an article over on Politico has some interesting snippets of information. David Axelrod said in a telephone interview earlier today in response to questions about the healthcare reform agenda:

“We’re entering a new season, it’s time to synthesize and harmonize these strands and get this done. We’re confident that we can do that. But obviously it is a different phase. We’re going to approach it in a different way. The president is going to be very active.”

Politico goes on to suggest …

Obama’s specifics will include many of the principles he has spelled out before, and aides did not want to telegraph make-or-break demands. But Axelrod and others are making plain that Obama will assert himself more aggressively — a clear sign that the president will start dictating terms to Congress.

Thing is, an environment has been created wherein the public and standing members of the Senate have been calling for Obama to step up to the plate – to take the lead. It is difficult at this stage of the game to accuse Obama of ramming his own agenda down the throat of a hostile Senate. One could argue that this is the set piece in the game-set-match scenario. In support of this proposition I place before you a track record of Obama’s effectiveness in playing process, backed by the inside acumen of Rahm Emanuel, in a script penned by one David Axelrod.

Sept. 15 is the deadline that the White House gave Senate negotiators to seek a bipartisan bill. As Chris would say, ‘timing is everything’.

UPDATE: 3 SEP 2009

Obama is scheduled to speak to both houses of Congress on the 9 SEP 2009 during which it is being widely reported that he will spell out his expectations with respect to the shape of a final healthcare bill.

UPDATE: 09 SEP 2009

Barack Obama’s speech to the members of Congress.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32773968#32766830

506 replies on “Game, Set, Match?”

A really telling piece by Rachel Maddow on healthcare governance at the state level in the USA (and a not so subtle dig at the Republican Party in the process). Possum could have a field day playing with these sort of numbers. On this theme is a spiffy graph from the NYT plotting cost and quality of healthcare services across the different states.

Also of interest is an interview between Jon Stewart and Bill Clinton that’s worth a watch. And on a funnier note, there is a Saturday Night Live skit on what really happened in Congress.

🙂

Well at this stage it looks like Olympia Snowe will make up for Ted Kennedys vote but the GOP are trying hard to convince her otherwise. Maybe they have offered her a free sight seeing trip over DC in a light plane or something.

There’s a very revealing moment in an interview that public option hero Jay Rockefeller gave to Ezra Klein. Rockefeller suggests he has first-hand knowledge of the tremendous pressure GOP leaders are putting on Olympia Snowe to not join Dems on health care reform:

I think the world of Olympia Snowe. She’s got incredible courage, and the Republican leadership is brutal in the way they apply pressure. Much more so than the Democrats…

They bring the hammer down on her, and I’m not going to say how. She’s very strong, and she represents a very rural state that has gone blue. So I don’t know what she’s going to do, and I’ll respect her whatever she does.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/senate-republicans/rockefeller-gop-leadership-is-bringing-the-hammer-down-on-snowe/

Catrina
The bid for dinner with SG Palin is being headed by someone she may want to reject.
Either way he stands to get some good publicity out of it for his next book which is titled- Sarah Palin’s Year of Living Dangerously.

Earlier this month, I posted on how Ride 2 Recovery, the charity for wounded veterans, was offering one lucky person the chance to win dinner for five with Alaska Governor turned professional Facebook-status-updater Sarah Palin, by placing bids on eBay. Well, the latest update is that if one of the current frontrunners ends up winning and joins Palin for a meal, that dinner could prove to be very awkward!

Scott Woodham reports in today’s Alaska Dispatch that the bidder in question is best-selling author and notable Palinographer Joe McGinniss.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/18/sarah-palin-dinner-iportf_n_291830.html

Ruperts favourite faux news has now got the news networks fighting amongst each other.
Rick Sanchez disses Faux News about the little rally at DC.

In this morning’s Washington Post, on page A9, the Fox News Channel took out a full-page ad, chest-thumping about its coverage of this past weekend’s Tea Party protests in Washington, DC (which were heavily promoted by Fox News). “How did, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN miss this story?” the text reads. It makes one wonder: Did Fox’s marketing department bother to check on its competitors’ coverage before they made these claims?

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/18/fox-news-newspaper-ad-mak_n_291494.html

ah well best of luck with that Roo.
Looks like it won’t be as profitable as he greedily thinks with his Pay to Peddle garbage.
Mr Google does not think so anyway.
How sweet it is we can shit on Roo!

Publishers of general news would find it hard to charge for their content online because too much free content is available, the chief executive of Google said yesterday.
Speaking to a group of British broadcasting executives via video link, Eric Schmidt said he could, however, imagine niche providers of content such as business news succeeding in this area.
Schmidt was responding to an announcement by News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch that he could start charging for content online.
“In general these models have not worked for general public consumption because there are enough free sources that the marginal value of paying is not justified based on the incremental value of quantity,” he said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/online/google-ceo-questions-murdochs-online-pay-plan-1789572.html

408 GhostWhoVotes Looks like we’ve got an interesting time coming up. Michael Dukakis would be handy in the senate. If senator Byrd goes that would be one less Blue Dog and one more liberal. 😈

Waxman to support net neutrality bill.
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by Chris in Paris on 9/18/2009 11:24:00 PM
Well done.
“Industry will benefit from clarity, consistency, and predictability with regard to Net neutrality,” Waxman said at the hearing. “I think that the time is right to formally establish, through legislation if required, the rules of the road with respect to Net neutrality.”
continued on Americablog
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If you want a moment of darkness then the following article will possibly take you places you want to forget. Thing is, it is very very real and it’s happening right now and chances are that as today events folds into the pages of history we will not be able to forget anything.

WASHINGTON — In the pre-dawn hours of last Nov. 5, while much of the nation celebrated Barack Obama’s election as the nation’s first black president, three white men in Springfield, Mass., doused the partially completed Macedonia Church of God in Christ with gasoline and burned it to the ground.

And the motivation for this event?

After their arrest, the men told police they’d torched the black church because they were angry about Obama’s election and feared minorities would be given more rights.

But the article also goes into implications towards Obama:

In his new book, “In the President’s Secret Service,” author Ron Kessler writes that racists and white supremacists probably account for more than a third of the estimated 30 death threats that Obama allegedly receives every day, about four times as many as were directed at former President George W. Bush. The Secret Service wouldn’t confirm Kessler’s claim.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/75694.html

“HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE WALK ON WATER FOR THESE BLUDGERS?!”

Following disappointing third-quarter projections, Christ has announced that he will only heal those that are both pure of heart and financially stable. “This is not a socialist regime,” said Christ…….“I will no longer be giving humans the gift of health – unless they keep up with monthly premiums and co-pays.”

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/16/782728/-Jesus-H.-Christ-cancels-Healing-Insurance-for-the-poor

Perry on Recession: “We’re in one?”

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), facing a tough primary challenge from Sen. Kay Baily Hutchison (R), left many puzzled when he declared his state was recession proof.

Said Perry: “As a matter of fact … someone had put a report out that the first state that’s coming out of the recession is going to be the state of Texas … I said, ‘We’re in one?'”

Paul Burka of the Texas Monthly: “This gaffe is going to stick. It is going to be national news. It will come back to haunt him in a campaign spot. If Hutchison can’t make something of it, the Democrats can. You cannot be callous and cavalier when people are losing their jobs and their homes. I don’t care how ideological the Republican base is. Unemployment in Texas just reached the 8% mark. Everybody knows someone who is suffering in these times. Everybody has lost part of their life savings. It could cost him the race.”

YouTube: Rick Perry Asks What Recession?

Oooo. The Prime Minister is a very naughty boy. He said fucken. We’re all going to hell and it’s Kevin Rudds fault.

FBI looking into BofA-Merrill deal.

The FBI in Charlotte and the U.S. Justice Department are among the multitude of agencies investigating Bank of America Corp.’s acquisition of Merrill Lynch & Co., a knowledgeable source told the Observer Friday.

The criminal investigation has been under way for about six months, the source said. The probe means an additional layer of scrutiny for the Charlotte-based bank, which bought Merrill on Jan. 1.

Bank of America already faces investigations from the New York attorney general’s office, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the N.C. attorney general’s office. Those probes have largely focused on the payment of billions in Merrill bonuses before the deal closed and the lack of disclosure of Merrill’s ballooning fourth-quarter losses.

continued in the Charlette Observer

Olympia Snowe: My Party Drifted Away from Me.

I think Snowe is/can be a sensible person, and she clearly understands her Party has gone off the deep end. We can only hope that getting her to do something sensible will bring along clueless Ben Nelson and the opportunistic Joe Lieberman. If not, you have to wonder if the Senate is capable of doing anything except celebrate motherhood and apple pie and adopt pound foolish limits on immigrants contributing to the costs of health care, and I’m not sure about motherhood.

Update:
Greg Sargeant,Plum Line, Rockefeller tells Ezra Klein that Snowe is getting hammered by Republicans not to agree to any health reform bill.

more of this article here on Firedoglake.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/8261

Will the Republicans succeed in driving Olympia Snow to the Democrats?

Ghost at 414, if the TX DEms flog Perry’s “Recession…what recession?!?”, they might be a slim chance. The GOP would require a massive swing against it and Sons of Diebold still control the ballot count but by rights it should be Gov. Perry’s “macaca moment”.

Chris, I’m also personally shocked and disappointed that a fine upstanding Family Values-loving man like Mr. Rudd could use such Unchristian-like language to parliamentary colleagues who approached him in good faith. He needs to get out to more strip joints while he’s in New York…….lighten up a little.
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How The Audacity of Hope merged seamlessly with the Tyranny of the POTUS Trap:

some of us entertain a fondness for the quaint old Constitution. It may be too late to return to its ideals, but the effort should be made. As Cyrano said, “One doesn’t fight in the hope of winning” (Mais on ne se bat pas dans l’espoir du succès).

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23110

Kate Bailey Hutchinson, who is standing against him. She’s leaving the senate. Which will make another seat up for grabs if their happens to be a landslide.

House Minority Leader John Boehner spent much of last week trying to persuade a stubborn Rep. Joe Wilson to apologize to the House — telling associates he needed to “get to” Wilson before the weekend to elicit an apology.

But as the days dragged on, Boehner had to back off: Wilson’s spine was stiffened by $1.5 million in campaign contributions, the Democrats’ anti-Wilson rhetoric had become increasingly extreme, and the South Carolina Republican was rapidly accumulating support from the conference’s dominant right wing.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27254.html#ixzz0RbxLsaQk
These are the loonies we need to bait in October 2010.

It may not be that one in particular, I just realised. At the end of the video, the next one has: From KB Hutchinson on it. It is also to do with Rick Perry.

While browsing through articles on international news and events – I came across proof that in fact God does exist. Back when swine flue was breaking and the words pandemic and global were being used in the same sentence, the government of Egypt took the decision to take some pre-emtive action and ordered the slaughter of all of the pigs across all of Egypt (I kid you not). Apart from the fact that pigs don’t have anything to do with swine flu, it must have been a popular idea because the ruling was made much to the dismay of pigs across the land. If we move forward in time, the NYT is reporting civil unrest in Cairo, the poeple of Egypt are rising up against their masters! And the reason why is apparently related to the fact that the garbage collection economy is at it’s very foundation dependent on poor people picking though the rubbish for scraps to feed their pigs, and while they were there they would earn a little more by sorting rubbish for recycle providers. Now that the pigs are no more, the people sorting for scraps have gone, nobody to sorting, and rubbish is building up on the streets of Cairo.

For me – the biblical overtones underlying these events, the ignorance of science, and the fact that these actions are biting the people of Egypt as a result – this is proof enough – there really must be a God somewhere rolling on the floor laughing out loud.

NYT: Cleaning Cairo, but Taking a Livelihood, 24 May 2009
NYT: Belatedly, Egypt Spots Flaws in Wiping Out Pigs, 19 Sep. 2009

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Oh FFS Cat! Surely you haven’t been suckered by that nonsense being spread around by all those *liberal* scientists.
You know, the fantasy about pigs not being affected by swine flu?
Hell, the *real* truth’s been out there on the web for ages.

Miss Piggy Dies of Swine Flu.
Miss Piggy, actress and star of television, stage, and screen, has become the first celebrity victim of the Swine Flu Epidemic. The 39 year old actress passed away at Hollywood Hills Hospital surrounded by family, friends, and a representative from Peyton’s Meat Packing Plant……

http://tinyurl.com/dggs3v

Meanwhile…..I’ll just take out the garbage and drop down to the shops for some fresh bacon. :mrgreen:

How Roos well paid news editors edit the news.
Who woulda thunk it.

A Fox News Channel producer has been caught in a behind-the-scenes video rallying the crowd during last weekend’s 9/12 protest in Washington.

The Huffington Post has confirmed that the woman in the below video — seen raising her arms to rally the crowd behind Griff Jenkins, who was reporting from the scene for Fox News — is Fox News producer Heidi Noonan.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/19/fox-news-producer-caught_n_292529.html

It appears that Massachusetts state senate will next week pass Legislation to allow a temporary replacement for Ted Kennedy.
And it looks like the guy who may be appointed has got his shit together.

President Obama has told his staff that Dr. Gawande’s writings are “required reading” in the White House. Dr. Gawande has written extensively on sustaining health care reform and lowering health care costs over the long term. He previously worked for Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN) and the 1992 Clinton presidential campaign, and he served on Clinton Health Care Task Force.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/18/gawande-for-senate/

Barack Obama appears to be laying the ground work for 2010 in the southern states. By attacking the confederates, sorry fundies, sorry, the states below the Mason-Dixon line. Via the Latinos. First he appoints a Latino Judge. Now he is appearing on their most popular Sunday show. Along with Obama’s strategy, we have the Republican strategy of doing everything it can to upset the Latinos. The most southern states are the strongest Latino states. They are also the strongest Republican states. The Latino vote will be very interesting to watch.
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This week President Obama hits all the major talk shows, except Fox News Sunday. But he is appearing on Univision’s Al Punto, which has more viewers than FNS. This week I’ve included Univision’s Al Punto’s listings –“Univision’s Sunday public affairs show, Al Punto, is hosted by renowned journalist and co-anchor of Univision’s award-winning evening news program “Noticiero Univision,” Jorge Ramos. Al Punto features exclusive interviews with prominent newsmakers, as well as roundtable analysis of current events. This weekly program focuses on the public affairs and political issues of importance to Hispanics across the United States.”

more on Firedoglake

Hot Violin Girls System of a Down Cover
Now I’m scared to talk to them for two reasons. Because they’re hot, and because they’re more talented than me.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1921177
Who said good heavy metal rock music was dead? Play it through your amp system. You can also down load it with Real Player.

Peppermint Patty holds her finger steady on the point of the football as Charlie Brown measures his approach…………….

“I absolutely do not believe that it’s dead,” Obama told Univision. “I think that it’s something that we can still include as part of a comprehensive reform effort.”
That defense may mark one of the most significant reactions Obama has had to date to the health bill unveiled by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) this week, which eschews the public option in favor of nonprofit healthcare cooperatives.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/20/obama-public-dead/

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Furthur proof of why only ungulates and political junkies watch Citizen Rupert’s Audio-Visual-U-Pay cable propaganda:

Awwwww…dat nordy Mistah Pwesident won’t doe on Fox

(but Prez O. is more than happy to put out real folksy-like on a Sunday Community TV Talk Show)

Meanwhile, on a planet some well-meaning people confuse with Earth:

WALLACE: …That’s exactly my position: I think Fox News Sunday is a truly fair and balanced show.
O’REILLY: You’re not an ideological show at all.
WALLACE: No. And it’s like they refuse to take “yes” for an answer. There’s a kind of childishness or pettiness about them…
O’REILLY: You know, that’s a…it’s an immaturity that if you don’t …if you don’t hold our line, we’re just gonna ice you.

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/chris-wallace-whines-white-house-are
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http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/75761
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“Friends of The Pig” and “Hog Fanciers of America” have responded in the strongest possible terms to the indiscriminate slaughter of what they term are “wholly innocent Gyppo porkers” by purchasing key slabs of Cairo Prime Time to air their disgruntledness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

And a neat lob deep in to the backhand corner sets the stage for the label Hypocrisy.

Media Mud Pies: CNN’s Embarrassing Response To FOX

As a result of this abrogation of journalism, Americans have a depleted treasury, a rotting infrastructure, criminal healthcare, fiscal sociopathy, substandard education, a dumbed-down public, an ever-widening socio-political chasm, and idiots elected to and remaining in office for lack of effective vetting and investigation by a legitimate Fourth Estate.

Mr. Sanchez, with all due respect, as you’ve delivered your message to FOX, I have a message for you. Your tirade is juvenile, hypocritical, and dare I say, unprofessional. CNN shares in the decline of our media almost as much as FOX. CNN is, after all, the home base of Lou Dobbs. Need I say more?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Media-Mud-Pies-CNN-s-Emba-by-Linda-Milazzo-090920-838.html

You little bloody bewdy, Toni, always reckoned you were, thespianally, the bee’s knees AND the ant’s pants!

Australian actress Toni Collette has won best outstanding actress in a comedy series at the Emmy Awards in Los Angeles, beating favourite Tina Fey for 30 Rock.
Collette was recognised for her role playing a mother with multiple personalities in United States Of Tara.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/21/2691665.htm

Dept. of Humility:
(proudly sponsored by The Uriah Heep Company)

“#272
Enemy Combatant says:
13 September, 2009 at 8:15 pm
KatieLou, what a delightful brush with fame. Sounds like Annabel got a real kick out of it too.
Are you going to mention to the Sarah-bot at the course about Tina Fey’s Emmy? Anyway, bet the PalinDrone doesn’t watch United States of Tara. Toni Collette is knock ‘em down brilliant. She plays matriarch of the best dysfunctional family currently showing HBO. To be consistently charismatic week in week out apart from oodles of hard yakka, is indicative of a quality possessed by Brando and Joanne Wooodward.”

Looks like there is a strong hint of an upswing in the polls for Obama and the Democrats generally. The speech looks as though it has stopped the slide before it became too much of an issue. (even the Virginia governorship race has closed up, although the Democrats still look as though they will lose it.)

I’m also a big fan of Toni Collette’s TV show. Well deserved.

GWV and EC re Texas. I remember reading around the time of the 2008 election that Texas was likely to go Democrat in the not too distant future due to demographic change. A moronic Repug governor could kick that along a little.

439 David Lose it? At this rate they will be 15% in front on election day.

Dramatic shifts among independent female voters and Northern Virginians over the past month have propelled Democrat R. Creigh Deeds to within four points of Republican Robert F. McDonnell in the race for Virginia governor, according to a new Washington Post poll. The change among likely voters — down from a 15-point margin in mid-August — coincides with the publication and ensuing controversy surrounding McDonnell’s graduate school thesis, in which he writes of his opposition to working women, feminists and gay people.

In the new poll, McDonnell edges Deeds by 51 to 47 percent among voters who say they are certain to vote in November, with the poll offering both candidates reasons to be optimistic as people begin to make up their minds six weeks before Election Day.

Oh I forgot. You’re a pessimist. Well, if we take 20% pessimism off everything you say, then you should line up with everyone else.

continued in The Washington Post. You may need to be registered.

Obama’s talk fest on the weekend will lift the polls up further.

Catrina @ 412

Good, if a bit depressing article. People attacking Jimmy Carter for speaking out on racism are misrepresenting what he said. He said the much of the vitriol was racially motivated, he wasn’t making a statement about differences on policy. But even CNN made some offhand comment that Carter was wrong because challenging policies isn’t racially based. But what about the personal vitriole Wolff?

Ohio, Sept 20: Ritualised State murder struck a major hitch today as death panel operators botched what even in these enlightened times in America, is a grisly and brutal way for a human being to be executed. The Prison’s chain-of-command became inoperative when, in an act of spontaneous kindness, the Chief Warden took his terminally stricken and much loved hound to the Vet for a “mercy shot” the moment after he had given the “thumbs down” for the execution to proceed.

“Guess this wasn’t the prison’s finest hour”, said the warden when contacted shortly afterwards at his Country Club by cell,
“but ol’ Yeller, he sure was smilin’ when he went to doggie heaven. You bet!”

The distressed death panel operators returned home to their families. As noted, the warden’s dog passed peacefully seconds after it received an injection of sodium pentobarbitone. Registered “execution” witnesses are recieving counseling from clergy handily in attendance for this violation of The Fifth Commandmant.
The condemned survivor awaits his fate.

http://news.yahoo.com/comics/jeff-danziger;_ylt=AiHoGKs.o4LjCHWoXzCzCWfXj5Z4;_ylu=X3oDMTE4czRmbW9xBHBvcwM2BHNlYwN5bl9hbHBoYV9saXN0BHNsawNqZWZmZGFuemlnZXI-

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EC
Can you imagine Roo lining up at Barrys’ Bailouts asking for a handout with the proviso that he will resist from making a profit?

Just like a “rubber ball’
will come bouncing back to you!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xERYkl-jQ

Orly Taitz is getting her arse kicked over her frivolous claims that Barry is not a Seppo.

“Holy Legal Reversals, Batman!” Orly Taitz is quickly becoming the gift that keeps on giving. (Unless, of course, there’s something here we’re not seeing).
Not that long after having her behind legally handed to her by Judge Land, Orly went on a bit of a rampage and said some very nasty things about the gentleman. And you’d think that would have been a sign that she knew where she wasn’t wanted, and was talking her broken toys with her to go back home to California. Right?

Wrong! She then had the massive chutzpah to refile for a reconsideration of his decision in his own court. This led to yet another harsh thumping from Judge Land, to the effect that Orly has two weeks to give him a reason why he shouldn’t fine her $10,000.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=14361

I didn’t have to do this for my Bronze Star! But that was decades ago.

But Guy Rundle deserves one for this effort; sweeping over the decades of the great imperial decline, he’s pulled the threads together and woven this great thing, this flotation device, in case you ever find yourself drowning in the crap and flotsam of daily drivel:

Rundle: The death of the neo-cons

Guy Rundle writes:

The death of Irving Kristol, doyen of American neoconservatives, a year or so after the death of William F Buckley, rules a line across one era of the American intellectual right. Together — Buckley the establishment man, but also a Catholic, Kristol the Jewish urban intellectual — they were the one-two of American conservatism, jab ’em with traditional society, wham finish ’em off with a deregulated economy and a strong state.

Though the term “neoconservative” or “neocon” came to most people’s attention during the Dubya era, their imperial purple was undoubtedly the Reagan years, when they overturned a whole bunch of 60s, 70s ideas — many of them pushed by Nixon as much as Carter — of detente, global citizenship, social investment — in favour of a state that pulled back its involvement in the domestic economy, shifted state spending to the military, and asserted the state’s role in setting or shaping moral values.

This emphasis, which put the right at the centre of American political-intellectual life, after five decades of dominance by the left, was novel because it ran deeply counter to the dominant American conservative value, which was states’ rights. For what was known in the 50s as the “Old Right”, based largely around Southerners in the Democratic Party, American conservatism was a valiant last-stand against a polity entirely restructured by New Deal liberalism at home, and UN-internationalism abroad.

William F Buckley had already begun to restructure that conservatism with the mid 50s launch of the National Review, re-centering conservatism on deeper values — that conservatism versus liberalism was an emerging struggle between a religious basis for life and secularism, and that states’ rights flowed from that. Thus if we are all fallen, and the wealth of tradition stretches beyond our knowledge, then we tamper with “inherited” institutions at our peril. Buckley thus opposed the civil rights movement and much more besides.

But Buckley’s refashioned conservatism was still in two-minds about its attitude to state power. On the one hand, communism represented the major global challenge — its tyranny springing from its atheism, which was its originating fault — but that did not of itself license an unending commitment to a strong state. Whatever the current struggle, conservatives should cleave to notions of scepticism and prudence as political virtues.

That sort of wavering could never seal the deal, and it was the alliance with an overwhelmingly urban Jewish European intellectual tradition represented by Kristol that put the whole package together. That New York tradition had arisen right back in the mass immigration of the 19th century, when East European and Russian pogroms had scattered whole communities of Jews, rural and urban, the latter overwhelmingly socialist and Marxist, the former having some real experience of the true nature of “traditional Christianity”. The 1917 October revolution converted many of these immigrant intellectual communities to Leninism and then Stalinism. And they were also among the first to adopt the dissident notions of Trotskyism.

By the time that WW2 supplied a fresh influx of intellectuals a whole subculture had been created — in magazines like the Partisan Review and universities such as the New School and Brandeis, established because Ivy League schools still ran a quota system on admitting Jews — supplying, in effect, a whole new intelligentsia for American life (it’s a measure of Australia’s size that the arrival of a single ship, the Dunera, could do the same here).

The debates in Partisan Review and another magazine Politics took the movement through Trotskyism and out the other side. Trotsky had called the USSR a “degenerated workers’ state” — i.e. to be criticised, but defended against the capitalist world in the last instance. By the time the Cold War descended, the “New York” movement defined its humanism against communism, as the supreme threat to the dominance of reason and humanity.

For a generation they would continue to be based within the Democratic party, their domestic politics New Deal liberalism. But under the influence of WW2 arrivals such as Leo Strauss, based largely in Chicago, they would come to see “liberalism” as the root cause of what they regarded as the cultural disaster of the 1960s social revolutions, the celebration of license, id over ego, play over work, eros over agape.

For Kristol and others this was the crossover moment — one where they invested their humanism in a relatively pessimistic assessment of human nature, rather than an optimistic one. The discipline of a leaner, crueller market was required because people left to their own devices would abandon internalised ‘protestant’ values. But, contrary to liberals and libertarians, a strong federal state was required to retain collective purpose when the market corroded other values, such as trust and public interest.

That synthesis put the “neocons” in the leadership role — the paleo-conservatives’ such as Buckley and Pat Buchanan, who had made alliances with libertarians, were willing to follow their lead. Reaganism was the political result, a stunning capture of a country teetering on the edge of a massive loss of industry to the developing world. In 1984 and 1988, Reagan and then Bush 41 persuaded whole states whose economy and way of life was being demolished by deregulatory policies — Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania — to vote for the folks growing the rust-belt.

On the surface that was achieved by the shock and awe tactics of people such as Lee Atwater, creator of the infamous “Willie Horton” ad that sank Dukakis in 88. But the intellectual depth, the analysis that made such strategic insights possible, came from the neocons — and it came to them, in turn, from their mixed heritage of Marxism, and the Platonism of Strauss and people like Allan Bloom. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged, a 60s US joke went; Kristol adapted it to “a neoconservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality” to explain both the movement’s transition, and it appeal.

The obvious question on the occasion of Kristol’s death is “what the hell happened?”. Politically, Reaganism began to fall apart as soon as the cold war ended — with one group of paleo-conservatives based around former Reagan director of communications Pat Buchanan coming out against the 1991 Gulf War, harking back to the old realpolitik basis of conservatism. Where, Buchanan and others asked, was the American interest in who ran Kuwait? It was not as if their oil would not come to market all the same.

For a new generation of neocons however, this was a jumping-off point. In the absence of global communism, neoconservatism had a chance to define itself as a set of positive values, to be exported to the world. Bush 41 and then Clinton had expelled these people from the White House, giving them the luxury of crafting a self-contained ideology in political exile.

With the addition of Samuel Huntington’s “clash of civilisations” the modernising energy rooted in Marxism, was joined by an ethnic and cultural particularism alien to it. Neonconservatism thus defined itself as both a universal approach to human governance, and a particular form of political-cultural life, namely an American one. The contradictions of this were never shaken out; and they are the reason for the chaotic pointlessness of a war like Afghanistan to this day.

By the time neoconservatism returned to power, with the Supreme Court coup of 2000, it was a cartoon version of the earlier movement, as occult and conspiratorial as a Dan Brown novel. Having parted with paleoconservatism, and its remnant traditions of realpolitik and isolationism, it was free to express a Jacobin spirit, of exporting revolution to the world, a return to the form, if not the content, of its Trotskyist roots — and one of the reasons why latter-day Trotskyists such as Christopher Hitchens found it so easy to join the blurred crusade.

The neocons 1.0 had been secular Americanist Jews, initially with little interest in Zionism (the US Jewish population had been by far the least Zionist of the Diaspora until the 1960s). The neocons 2.0 elevated Israel and Zionism to a symbol and keystone of modernity and the West. When heritage enthusiast Mohammed Atta put those planes into the WTC, the whole mix became turbocharged.

By that time, both Kristol and Buckley were on the outer of the movement they had created. Buckley had never been hugely enthusiastic about the 2003 Iraq invasion, and would ultimately come out against it in National Review, the only columnist permitted to do so. The paleo-cons had decamped to a new magazine The American Conservative, and National Review had become a parody of itself. In the wake of 911, joke-figures like Ann Coulter (“we should invade the Muslim world, kill its leaders and Christianise it”) came to the fore.

Creatures of the 24 hour news cycle and its insatiable appetite, they fed the raw need that the neocons had established — the use of a supercharged patriotism, a jingoistic exceptionalism, to substitute for the slow and remorseless decline of American power, and the quality of American daily life for millions of people.

No less than black politics, or the queer movement, super-patriotism had become a form of identity politics for the white working-class and middle-class (the latter term now transferred to the working class itself — in 2008, a publicity campaign by John Edwards addressed to “the American middle class” featured a picture of a man operating a factory lathe.). The process stripped it of all the attributes — depth, reasoning, secularism — that had allowed it to take a position of political command.

As countless memoirs now make clear, the Bush 43 White House during the WTC-Iraq-Afghanistan years was so utterly tangled up in its own fantasies and delusions that it could not begin to steer clearly. The unnamed official who remarked “we’re an empire and we make our own reality” effectively provided the antithesis of Kristol’s remark about being mugged by it.

The intellectual culture of neocnservatism was now dust. It’s no coincidence, as an old Trot like Irving would once have said, that his son Bill introduced Sarah Palin to the national stage. The discourse of magazines such as Encounter, and Kristol’s The Public Interest had been replaced by tomes such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”, which argued that the enthusiasm for natural fabrics and the Whole Foods store chain were a continuation of Mussolini’s project by other means. It was only this decline that made it possible that a vacuum could be created, such as would make the election of a black Chicago community organiser even conceivable.

Mixed are the fortunes of political war — war being the way in which Leo Strauss’s lifelong friend, the Nazi political theorist Carl Schmitt, suggested politics should always be defined. Conservatism in the US has intellectually collapsed into squalor, burnt-out in part by the supercharged nature of neoconservatism, its politics on steroids. European conservatism continues to cease to exist, clowns like Berlusconi and Sarkozy achieving nothing, the British conservatives now moving socially to the centre-left in many respects — and the continental European vacuum increasingly occupied by a genuine neo-fascism.

One area where the neocons did survive was in British new Labour, where both Blair and Brown were influenced by Kristol’s widow, Gertrude Himmelfarb, who called for the explicit state re-imposition of Victorian values, and turned the party of Methodism and Marx, into purveyors of a war-making surveillance state, in turn about to be dumped comprehensively by the voters.

And in Australia, John Howard, the country’s most explicit exponent of down-the-line neoconservatism, took his party sufficiently far from deep-seated Australian political traditions, as to set its hapless survivors a task akin to the Bronze Star lifesaving exam — swim back to shore in your pyjamas, clutching a boogie board between your teeth.

All of which raises the question — was neoconservatism the salvation of the right, giving it dominance for a generation, or the swansong of the West, its final supercharged hysterical claim of supremacy, against the cities crowding the horizon to the East. Was Irving Kristol its authentic expression — or Dubya, the alcoholic saved by American Jesus, projecting his redemption onto the world?

Brilliant article KR. But it’s not dead yet. Obama can oversee the last breath from the wounded body. But beware of Lazarus with a triple by-pass. Obama’s first term should give us an idea as to whether we can bury the corpse or not.

You know what gaffy, something sucks long, hard and deep, industrial-strength as a matter of fact, about Citizen Rupert’s pudgy, grasping paw held out for a life-sustaining government Mogul Dole like some sort of Welfare King Neo-Bludger!
We can only hope Rupie doesn’t use the bailout fat to seduce that Rundle guy away from Team Crikester.
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Two weeks ago Ann Minch started tralkin’ like a Commie on You Tube. Shitting themselves at the prospect of Internet Mediated People Power squeezing their bottom line, lo and be-hold, BoA saw the light. Ain’t capitalism grand? Ya gotta love it. Bit of friendly competition makes the world go round. But IMPP has heaps going for it too. Maybe Chris B can find a way to make the best aspects of both work together over time going forward! Over to you , Chris……

Two weeks ago, Ann Minch of Red Bluff, Calif. announced in a YouTube video that she’d launched a one-woman “Debtors’ Revolt” and would refuse to pay off her credit card balance after an unfair interest-rate hike. Now, after her video made a huge splash, Bank of America has agreed to reduce her rate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/21/ann-minch-triumphs-in-cre_n_293423.html

Zelaya looks like he may be back home but not able to do much except hole up at the brazilian Embassy.

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras – Deposed President Manuel Zelaya defied threats of arrest and returned home to Honduras Monday, three months after he was forced into exile at gunpoint.

Seeking safety at the Brazilian Embassy, Zelaya called on his countrymen to come to the capital for peaceful protest.

“It is the moment of reconciliation,” he said Monday during a televised speech that featured Zelaya’s voice but not his image.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=97786

School holidays…… curses! Gonna moider da bums or better still, take ’em camping to the Deep Woods far removed from ALL electronic communication devices.
A teenage sleeper-cell member and her Commo mates have commited an act of Gross Domestic Selfishness by vacuuming the last of this month’s broadband express facility.
Bastards.
Will have to wait till the bloody household intertubes are fired-up again at midnight tomorrow to be able to download and enjoy all the much chatted-about aboveposted You-Tube clips in a manner commensurate with one’s present state of dissident pertubation.
Sure, I’m a user, let’s not kid aroung here; a well-adjusted internet junky who likes to keep things under control, to set a good example for Young Australians and be responsible…….hold a little bit of broadband aside each week to feed my habit, unencumbered by the threat of Instant Download Deficit.

But even The Desperate have standards. Presently it takes a minute to load up huffpo h/p. Might as well use a forklift.

Fuggheddaboudit!
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Great essays draw many threads into a cohesive, comprehendable whole. Rundle does it brilliantly above, Mihm does so below.

Why Capitalism Fails:

Minsky is now all the rage. A year ago, an influential Financial Times columnist confided to readers that rereading Minsky’s 1986 “masterpiece” – “Stabilizing an Unstable Economy” – “helped clear my mind on this crisis.” Others joined the chorus. Earlier this year, two economic heavyweights – Paul Krugman and Brad DeLong – both tipped their hats to him in public forums. Indeed, the Nobel Prize-winning Krugman titled one of the Robbins lectures at the London School of Economics “The Night They Re-read Minsky.”

……But (capitalism is) not perfect. Indeed, if there’s anything to be drawn from Minsky’s collected work, it’s that perfection, like stability and equilibrium, are mirages. Minsky did not share his profession’s quaint belief that everything could be reduced to a tidy model, or a pat theory. His was a kind of existential economics: capitalism, like life itself, is difficult, even tragic. “There is no simple answer to the problems of our capitalism,” wrote Minsky. “There is no solution that can be transformed into a catchy phrase and carried on banners.”

It’s a sentiment that may limit the extent to which Minsky becomes part of any new orthodoxy. But that’s probably how he would have preferred it, believes liberal economist James Galbraith. “I think he would resist being domesticated,” says Galbraith. “He spent his career in professional isolation.”

Stephen Mihm is a history professor at the University of Georgia and author of “A Nation of Counterfeiters” (Harvard, 2007).

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/09/13/why_capitalism_fails/

Peerless indeed, paddy. Co-afflictedly viscious.

Robb felt that his Black Dog was well enough muzzled last year to pitch for the tory top shelf, but his beast is visiting him longer these days perhaps due to the present unelectabilty of the tories.
Who wouldn’t be depressed?

“Following Malcolm Turnbull’s election as Leader of the Liberal Party in September 2008, there was speculation that Robb would become Shadow Treasurer (taking the position which Turnbull previously occupied). However, despite Robb lobbying for the position, the job went to the Liberal Deputy Leader, Julie Bishop.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Robb

Ivan Marte: Rhode Island GOP Hispanic Assembly Chairman Quits Party Over Joe Wilson.
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The chairman of the Rhode Island Republican Hispanic Assembly and member of the Republican Central Committee says he has quit the GOP because he was embarrassed by South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson’s outburst during President Obama’s address to Congress on Sept. 9.

Wilson shouted “You lie,” when President Obama said illegal immigrants would not receive benefits under his health care plan.

Ivan Marte tells The Providence Journal that Wilson’s behavior was “shameful” and “uncivilized.”

continued on The Huffington Post
And may there be many more like this.

FCC Chairman Supports Net Neutrality.
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It’s a big day for net neutrality. FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski officially endorsed net neutrality as the policy for the FCC:

I believe we must choose to safeguard the openness that has made the Internet a stunning success. That is why today, I delivered a speech announcing that the FCC will be the smart cop on the beat when it comes to preserving a free and open Internet.

In particular, I proposed that the FCC adopt two new rules to help achieve this.

The first says broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet content or applications. The second says broadband providers must be transparent about their network management practices. These principles would apply to the Internet however it is accessed, though how they apply may differ depending on the access platform or technology used. Of course, network operators will be permitted to implement reasonable network management practices to address issues such as spam, address copyright infringement, and otherwise ensure a safe and secure network for all users.

I also proposed that the FCC formally enshrine the four pre-existing agency policies that say network operators cannot prevent users from accessing the lawful Internet content, applications, and services of their choice, nor can they prohibit users from attaching non-harmful devices to the network.

Perhaps more importantly, it looks like he has the votes to pass it through the FCC and make it into policy.

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/8353
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I don’t know whether it has any flow on to Australia or not.

I’m not dead yet!
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The Reemergence Of Discredited Neocons: Right-Wing Conference To Advocate A Surge In Afghanistan.
The Foreign Policy Initiative (aka “PNAC 2.0”), an organization which is headed by neoconservatives Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan, and Dan Senor, is holding a conference today and tomorrow on “Advancing & Defending Democracy.” FPI arose after its previous incarnation — the Project for a New American Century — suffered a massive blow to its credibility by staking its reputation on advocating for the “one of the worst foreign policy blunders in American history” — the Iraq war.

Kristol, Kagan, and Senor are now enthusiastically dedicating their efforts to building support for a U.S. troop surge in Afghanistan, calling such a strategy “politically smart for Republicans.” Kagan said recently that withdrawing from Afghanistan would be to “commit preemptive suicide.”

continued on Think Progress

Just a gentle nudge – for those that are not fans of all things Roo, I really think you’ll enjoy the video at 453.

462 Catrina Thanks Catrina. I downloaded the video. I wonder why he took it down? I’ll pass it on to interested parties.

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Oh really Chris!
What do you mean Jen’s not into sport.
Are you completely blind?
She’s the fucking quarterback FFS! 👿

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Drat!! The earth didn’t move for me Gaffy.
Hmmm…..Let’s see, magnitude 3.0 and 2.6.
Must be a very slow news day. 🙂

Martin Indyk was interviewed on Lateline last night. For anyone interested in the Israel/Palestine issue, it was truly fascinating – highly recommended.

One thing that struck me was that while Barack Obama is incredibly respected and popular world wide, in Israel, his approval rating is 6%. A big contributor to that was Obama’s speech in Cairo (which personally, I think was brilliant).

Ex bent Repuglican Tmo DeLay makes his debut on Dancing with the Stars. The young women who have been the victims of his and Jack Abramoffs’ sex slave trade to the Northern Mariana islands will probably not be tuning in.

It seems ironic that ABC, the network that used their 20/20 program to expose the Delay-Abramoff-CNMI connection a decade ago is now featuring this evil-doer in their ads to promote another one of their television shows. As for me, I won’t be watching Dancing with the Stars. ABC is promoting a conspirator who plotted to block justice and contributed to the perpetuation of labor and human rights abuses in the CNMI. The only time I will tune in to watch Tom Delay dance is if he is doing the jail house rock.

The wheels of Justice turn slowly, but they turn. In Washington DC today the trial of Abramoff, DeLay, Doolittle crony Kevin Ring continues and in the offices of the DOJ in DC and Baltimore so does the ongoing investigation into the scandal.

Now for months, the very best reporting on the Abramoff scandal is being done by a blogger out of Tom DeLay’s old district in Texas. I can not recommend highly enough the work of the Anti-Corruption Republican. This is the blog-based reporting at its best. Hell, it is far better coverage on the Ring trial and the various aspects of the scandal than you’ll find anywhere else. The Ring Trial will be going on for the next few weeks. I encourage you to bookmark the Anti-Corruption Republican and visit it often. The posts and the comments are very informative.

The walls are closing in on DeLay. And soon he will be dancing to the tune of a frog march in an orange jumpsuit.

That day can not come fast enough for me.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/DeLay-s-Dirty-Dancing-by-Dennis-Greenia-090922-97.html

The dawn in Sydney really was incredible. The dust cleared early afternoon, but I believe our Queensland brethren may be the unlucky recipients of the travelling dust fog.

GM is re employing some 2400 workers as they gear up for increased sales. The article does not say whether they are making new hybrid or electric cars or more of the same old same old.

The automaker says it will add a third shift at its Fairfax plant in Kansas City, Kan., in January. That will be followed in March or April by third shifts at factories in Delta Township, Mich., near Lansing, and Fort Wayne, Ind.

About 2,400 production workers will be recalled as a result of the added shifts, and another 600 will be recalled at parts factories across the country, said Tim Lee, group vice president for global manufacturing.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/gm-recalls-about-2400-wor_n_295256.html

Kansans are sick of Repug lies and are laughing at the Repug Senator in his townhall. They have had enough, apparently.

video.

It’s been a barrel of laughs this summer for Kansas Republicans.

However, instead of Rep. Lynn Jenkins laughing at uninsured constituents, we find voters actually laughing at another Kansas Republican — Rep. Todd Tiahrt. Earlier this summer, Tiahrt held a town hall meeting on health care reform and made the false claim that H.R. 3200 will set a cap on doctors wages. That claim has been debunked across the board and the attendees knew it.

It’s really a stunning rebuke of Kansas Republicans and their lies:
This is just another sign of the tide turning against the Republicans in Kansas.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-nellis/video-kansans-laugh-at-re_b_294595.html

Obama Complained, “Jesus, I Wish They’d Stop Grabbing My Ass”: New Book (VIDEO)
Christopher Andersen appeared on Hardball tonight to discuss his new book about the Obamas’ marriage. Scroll down for the video.
According to a new book, Barack and Michelle Obama’s marriage was strained on the campaign trail because of all the women throwing themselves at the future president.

The pain of being so sexy, must be very difficult to live with. Won’t be long before they’re throwing their underwear at him. Of course this will just prove the Republicans right!
continued on The Huffington Post

Sept 23:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/jeff-danziger

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/76084/

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/75767/

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/76031/

Sept 24: It was early in the 21st Century when the Great Dumbing-Down hit pay dirt.
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/the-quigmans

P.S. Due to a Spaniard in my cyber-works, can’t currently connect to Salon.com. If roving Ticsters spot any good ‘toonies from Tommy Demain or other visual expressives from Salon’s stable please post ‘em till the Village Geek gets things sorted my end. 🙁

US Census Worker Hanged

WASHINGTON — The FBI is investigating the hanging death of a U.S. Census worker near a Kentucky cemetery, and a law enforcement official told The Associated Press the word ‘fed” was scrawled on the dead man’s chest.

The body of Bill Sparkman, a 51-year-old part-time Census field worker and occasional teacher, was found Sept. 12 in a remote patch of the Daniel Boone National Forest in rural southeast Kentucky. The Census has suspended door-to-door interviews in rural Clay County, where the body was found, pending the outcome of the investigation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/23/census-worker-hanged-with_n_297114.html

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Catrina
I read that article and then wondered how much interest the law would take in solving it. No doubt they are very sincere in their work?
I then had a look at the statistics and they have an average number of 3 law enforcement agents per 1000 of population and in the “violent crime” area the overall Arrest/clean up rate is 45% in 2008.
Overall there were just over 11 mil crimes in 2008 which is down 3 mil from early 90’s.
Of that 11 mil there were 1,382,012 violent crimes and over 9 mil “property crimes”

Each law enforcement officer has roughly 333 persons (that includes men women and kids) to keep an eye on.
If we say that most Seppos go bible bashing most Sundays then that is roughly one person per day he has to keep tabs on.
Definitely overpaid and underworked IMHO. :mrgreen:

This is an interesting read and i am having trouble getting my head round it.
It appears to me that after a recent court ruling in Kansas Supreme court, anyone with a mortgage that is/was controlled by a nominee company called MERS can simply walk away from it and tell the banks etc to jam it up theirs and pay no more.
It appears that with all their credit default swaps and fancy derivatives there is actually no more legal owner of the mortgage note.
where’s Ferny Grover when you need help in getting your head round this legal stuff.

The pirates seem to have captured the ship, and until now there has been no one to stop them. But 60 million mortgages with fatal defects in title could give aggrieved homeowners and securities holders the crowbar they need to exert some serious leverage on Congress – serious enough perhaps even to pry the legislature loose from the powerful banking lobbies that now hold it in thrall.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/LANDMARK-DECISION-PROMISES-by-Ellen-Brown-090921-894.html

Get the irony of this:

Even corporations are losing patience with the deniers: earlier this week Pacific Gas and Electric canceled its membership in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in protest over the chamber’s “disingenuous attempts to diminish or distort the reality” of climate change.

(Krugman, NYT)

…but in fact it’s been like this for years; many major corporations had looked at the numbers and knew their day of CO2 reckoning was just over the time horizon, and started planning, or wanted to know how government would deal with it.

That we have cretins like Fielding poncing around with deniers while feigning ‘open debate’ is a national crime. And then there’s poor Malcolm, about to be savaged by his own fractious bunch of dunderheads.

Pity Rudd’s lot have virtually turned the whole emissions trading thing into a bloody parlour game of ‘whack a liberal’.

Pox on both their houses.

Gaffy, that will be worth it just to see Stewart do his Tourrette’s version of pronouncing Blago’s name to his face! LOL

Kirri
While you are around.
What is your take on the story linked at 494?
Does it mean 60 mil home owners can default on their mortgages with impunity?

Regarding the Blagojevich thingy, he kept on telling Jon Stewart that the prosecutors have blocked the release of the tapes and also blocked him from commenting on them.

I am sure something similar has happened in the Sibil Edmonds story where the Shrubs attorneys have prevented her from releasing the contents of an email.

Also In Allabama as well as the Siegleman case there is another case where attorneys have blocked evidence being presented which may be beneficial to the those who have been convicted.

A Bush-appointed judge, David Proctor, let them get away with it. In the Smith case, prosecutors filed a motion in limine asking the court to prevent Smith from arguing that he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor, not a felony, in an underlying state case. Steele let them get away with it, cutting off Smith’s No. 1 defense. A motion in limine is designed to reject evidence that is inadmissible or unfairly prejudicial. In Alabama during the Age of Bush, prosecutors and judges appear to have used them to deprive defendants of critical, and legitimate, defenses.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Don-Siegelman-Case-Might-b-by-Roger-Shuler-090924-534.html

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Yeah Kirri it is now going from the sublime to the ridiculous.
With a little bit of argy bargy and idiots like Barnyard gobbing off Big Coal has hired the Ruddsters advertising guru to help them convince the public that every thing is really ok.
As you say a parlour game it surely is turning to.

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