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Take a Deep Breath

On this subject of carbon trading and suggestions that the government is not doing enough. Well, I’m not convinced. Thing is there is a bunch of legislation already passed that deals with the obligations of organisations to publish data about the energy levels they are consuming, the energy they are producing, and the emissions they are generating as a by-product. That legislation has a significant impact on these bigger companies out there (and ok, it’s a smaller number of companies but it is the industries that matter when we do the numbers). So right now those big industries (including those constitutional companies that we don’t talk about much) are doing the stuff necessary to meet the legislative reporting requirements (and this is both a cost for those organisations and a economic stimulus for those other organisations providing the info-technology to support this).

So if we project out into the future a couple of years from now – we will be seeing the emergence of data coming from out from major industry players. For any one of these players chances are we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars in potential liabilities (with or without an ETS). Factor into this equation the emergence of an ETS irrespective of targets (because the target is partially academic if we look at the end-game). What is more important is the putting in place of the mechanisms – because once you have the reporting mechanisms in place then, and only then can you start playing policy with the economic configuration (a.k.a. tweaking taxation dials and whatnot). With those mechanisms in place (and I can’t emphasise enough that the establishment of those reporting mechanisms is what is really important here) you turn a page of the management equation – only then can you actually start to manage the problem – and only then can we start to be responsible – companies (even the big polluters) will start to understand and factor into day to day decisions the economic consequences of operational decisions.

The reduction target does not matter (at least today) – because today – today we are just grappling with the problem of capturing the information about what we are doing. Two years from now and the federal government will start to see numbers that are meaningful (as in the Australian Federal Government will have the initial numbers of the flows of energy and the emissions from individual companies and those constitutional corporations at a level of granularity that will make your head spin). But that time-point is important but it’s not what we need – what we actually need is trend lines. We need a few years to get to the point of understanding the picture of what is happening in Australia. It is from this perspective that I think that less is more – because what Australia does in emissions production is not the issue, what is much more important is what Australia does in establishing the regulatory framework from which we can demonstrate a national comprehension and from that – grounded and concrete actions – based on national facts that are linked to national corporate entities – that implicate national employees – that change union policies – that generate informed local opinion.

Australia is not a global leader on this issue – but the Australian Federal Government is working on fundamentals that are critical for a responsible solution. Targets and levies are just numbers and dials – what is more important is establishing the machinery capable of responding to adjustments, and the machinery capable of returning accurate and reliable feedback on changes.

We are heading in the right direction.

And take a deep breath – because we still have a way to go.

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Or perhaps the summer chrissy thing is due to who “discovered” whom……. we downunderers are but slaves to Northern Hemispheric Values. It’s pretty weird when you think about it, still tugging the forelock to the fiestas of our cultural forebears. As far as the Poms go, their lingo is rather cool but their hegemony, largely speaking, sucked.

Anyway, Cat, from you initial musing:
“Christmas and summer.
Who’s idea was that?”

Like Atlas said when pondering orbs:

“When you turn ’em upside down they all look the same to me.” 🙂


probably some double-thinking, doubleplusgood duckspeaking Orwellian.

Ah, Ecky! You must mean Stephen Conroy. 👿

Stephen Conroy: Dear Crikey, here’s why you’re wrong
By Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Senator Stephen Conroy
In these times of bloggers, citizen journalism and the 24-hour news cycle, quality journalism is under threat. Nowhere is it more apparent than in Crikey.

Its coverage over the past week with regard to the government’s announcement on ISP level filtering has been nothing short of disingenuous…..more

Oh, for a DD to blow the simpleton zealot away, paddy. Not even his spinners could dumb down the text enough to make it plausibly seem like Senator Dolt’s own brain farts.

602 paddy Good one Paddy. Kicked him right in the gonads. Is that the right spelling? All right kicked him in the nuts. Senator Conroy and quite a few ALP members must be cursing us at the moment with our behind the scenes work.

I think we should get the ABC to interview a few of our ALP friends who have been very low profile, trying to go under the radar. Get them to sweat a bit under the spotlight.

Now guys, in the interest of checking out HD computer monitors, here is Kim Kardashian’s latest TV advertisement for a salad hamburger. The graphics quality is brilliant in slow motion. It really picks up the way the sauce drops in slow motion. If you have a 900 x 600 monitor. Put it in a museum or cry a lot.
PS I don’t think the exist anywhere other than museums.

Fortunately Chris, I’m safe behind Senator Conrod’s filter. So I’m not at risk of being corrupted by Chicken salad with tits. :mrgreen:

Meanwhile….this global warming bullshit is getting out of hand!!
FFS!!! The temp at my place has just climbed to 29oC and it’s 10.30 pm!……Plus it’s still climbing!!!
WTF!!! Thank God I don’t live in Adelaide where it’s currently 37oC!!!
I’m feeling like a climate vandal, but I’ve weakened and just turned on my new portable A/C unit. At least I’ll be able to sleep, so tomorrow I can enjoy the 40oC blast of summer. 🙁

The ALp always seem to come up with a foolproof method of snatching defeat from victory.
The whole saga appears to me that the godbotherers in the ALP are trying to garner some religious votes with this piece of nothing that will cost $140mil and it will eventually have the effect of chasing lots of ALP secular voters away with a net result of minus voters.
He has obviously been talking to the religious freakers and probably has promised them that it will happen.
When the opposition to it gathers a bit more momentum he will look so fucking stupid when he has to back off.

There are some good posts over at Crikey, it was a very interesting read.
There was even a post there by, probably an Irishman, named Paddy. :mrgreen:


There was even a post there by, probably an Irishman, named Paddy. :mrgreen:

Damned impostors. No one’s identity is safe on the Internet these days. 🙂 🙂
I actually think the ALP might have to spit the dummy and ditch this dog of a policy.
It really *will* place Tanner’s seat in jeopardy. So if their internal polling starts to look *very* dire……who are they going to back?
Conrod and the right, or Tanner and the left with all the weight of the powerfox. I’d back Julia over Conroy anyday. 👿

My problem with Dr Hansen on this issue is this: how does he expect the US congress, which has yet to make a decision on cap-and-trade, to agree to a tax? If Dr Hansen wants cap-and-trade off the table, what precisely does he imagine that it will be replaced with? Political reality will dictate what is going to happen here.

Gouldie, Hansen is a scientist, not a politician. It isn’t his job to suffer fools. Are you arguing that noone should be advocating solutions which aren’t universally popular?? In that case your criticism applies as much to Hansen as it does to Rudd.

The pundits must be listening to you. 2010 is just a couple of kegs away and then it is on. Some spiffy graphs.

But there’s a sunny side too. The election can bring the fight out of us. We can turn complaints about how bad things are into complaints about how we got here and how long it will take us to dig out. Like in 2008, the elections in 2010 give us an opportunity to point out the failures of long conservative reign and dare conservatives to try to take us backward.

Here’s to you Roo, may your media empire suffer huge losses going forward in 2010. May you happily fire all your shills in the hope you will up your profit margins. Good luck.

The Real Reason Newspapers Are Losing Money, And Why Bailing Out Failing Newspapers Would Create Moral Hazard

Moore said that newspapers, bought up by corporations in the last generation, have pursued profits at the expense of news gathering. By basing their businesses on advertising over circulation, newspaper owners have neglected their true economic base and core constituency, he said…

And Moore cited newspapers like those in Baltimore or Detroit, his home town, with firing reporters that cover subjects that affect the community.

Ultimately, he said, this was self-defeating. It would be like GM deciding to discourage people from learning how to drive, he said.

“It’s their own greed, their own stupidity,” he said…

614 gaffhook It’s about time someone started to take notice. I was getting a bit lonely doing it all on my own. 😆

National and Congressional Committee Results Are In.

The six Democratic and Republican fund-raising committees have reported on their November hauls. The DNC and RNC are roughly in balance in terms of net cash as are the senatorial committees. However, the DCCC has more than five times as much net cash as the NRCC, which is significant since the real battles in 2010 are likely to be in the House. Historically, the Democrats can expect to lose 10-20 seats but such a large financial advantage may save them a few seats. Here are the numbers in millions of dollars.
It was all George Bushes fault will work for the next 8 years. It worked well for Regan blaming Jimmy Carter for everything and things weren’t as bad as under the worst President ever!

That is progress.
Julia can now reduce her bill by half to get every kid in Oz a laptop and still have change. Abbott and CostelloBarnyard will have to find a new spin line now about the huge costs involved. HaHa.

Hope all you Ticsters have a really good holiday break as i am sure i will. $90 a head seafood smorgasboard with free grog at one of the local nosh shops and i will even let them do the dishes.

Dec 24: Santa was an early-adopter of “key” Sep Values.

Dec 23: Faux-Pashtun Panhandler:

Dec 23: Raghead Xmas: guess who’s pickin’ up the tab chez Karzai?

The best thing about Avatar, is not the quantum leap in animation, but the way it wises up people to the fact that it’s not only the w.w.w. that interconnects us. This film has something for the Gaia-gushing Pale Blue Dotters and the Mortal Kombat/ First Person Shooter generation. All the best script lines are delivered deadpan; one needs to make an effort. It’s the story of Konrad’s Nostromo/McCarthy’s Blood Meridian and Atwood’s Oryx and Crake all beautifully boxed on planet Pandora…..and then some.

But most of all its brilliance lies in the no bullshit way it spells out what people who are happy that “There Will Be Blood” are prepared to do for a diamond-cutter and a buck.

Also anyone who saw Sam Worthington’s stunning performance in the 2006 Oz film production of “Macbeth” with Gary Sweet will really appreciate his deadpan pantomime schtick here. Just every now and then he let’s a line rip where his native accent is unmistakable. Loved it. Junior can’t shut up about the film and grilled me like an Underbelly D to make sure I “got all of it”! 🙂

A rip-snorter of a Yuletide and a sleigh-full of love to the lot of yez.

Merry Christmas to everyone. May we all enjoy our fill of prawns, crackling and trifle, then sit back and ponder the upcoming jam packed year for politics junkies.

Well it’s nearly time for the old bastard to wriggle down the chimney. So I’ll wish all you ticksters a merry christmas and race off to drink the brandy sitting on the mantelpiece before he gets here. :mrgreen:
Meanwhile, keep an eye out for drunks in charge of sleighs.
(You can track his progress here)

Oh yes……And don’t eat too many prawns tomorrow. 🙂

Santa came!! Woohoo.
Bastard didn’t leave me anything , but the kiddies are happy.
Have a lovely day everyone.

From the final page of Firstdog’s advent calendar.
Gosh darn it….It almost reduced me to tears. :mrgreen:
Meanwhile….Enjoy the good times and let’s look forward to an exciting new year…….
After all……………
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
proclaiming: “WOW–What a Ride!”

Lovely xmas dinner. plenty of bugs, prawns and oysters and grog.
Even did them a favour and dropped my plates and broke them so they didn’t have to wash them. :mrgreen:

The health bill has passed the senate vote this morning.
I must admit i do not have much idea about how it all works now as this dude has come up with a statement that;

60+ House Democrats Say “Any” Health Bill With No Public Option Is “Unacceptable”;
WTF. What happens now? Do they set about rewriting the bill?

For those caught up in the obsequiously triumphalist bullshit coming from the DC elite – you know the crap about the Senate allegedly passing the most important piece of progressive legislation in American history today (an analysis I completely reject) – it’s important for us all to remember that the health care battle isn’t over – and specifically, the battle over the public option isn’t over.

Morning all – thank the good lord that’s over …what a lot of hype xmas is.
Good food though – cray, prawns, turkey, and Maggie Beer icecream -( do yourselves a favour before you die).
so now looking forwad to a brave new year where the last surviving neocons headed By The Monk take a thorough beating and are finally wiped out for good –
bring it on.

Mornin Jen
What is Maggie Beer Icecram.
Is that when your friend is named Maggie, and between you proceed to drink two cartons of Fosters, smear yourselves in icecream……………………………………………? :wicked: rgreen:

Tommy Waits at his brilliant best, paddy.

Good to see you getting festive, jen. gaffy, one has it good authority that you have great difficulty in being truly wicked 🙂

Chris, makes you wonder how NORAD can track aerial sleigh drops yet be flummoxed by huge commercial planes way off of their flight paths and hellbento on Pearl Harboring a mess o’ mayhem.


(this gathering took place five years full before Mandela was elected president; the man in the white pith helmut is my brother)

Chris, you poor bastard. Sounds like you just had Mr Dobolina…..that’s Mistah Bob Dobolina around for chrissy chowdown. They’re not all just working lads from Norf of England way, some of ‘em wot vere muvvers ‘ad, hit va Big Time… the USA….

Last clip of Bonnie Raitt featured here, the lady played slide. This time she tames a notoriously rambunctious steel string acoustic with aplomb sans plectrum:

She is whistling a happy tune Chris cos she has just been out and bought a tub of Jens Maggie Beer icecream and scoffed it all in one go. :mrgreen:

Catrina’s just showing off. 🙂
I’ve never seen musical notation that you can even cut and paste into notepad before. ♪♫•*¨*•.¸¸♥ ¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪
Even was no help. 😆
Bloody amazing Cat. :mrgreen:

Well blow me down with a piano Gaffy.
You learn something new and wonderfully useless every year.
So her full name really *is* Catrina Beethoven eh? :mrgreen:

Chris B says:

He resigned because of health reasons. With three women in bed, he sounds quite healthy to me!

Only three???!!!! The poor chap’s quite obviously passed it.


They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security

When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.

We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.

I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men (this was in the 1920s) have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air – that progress made under the shadow of the policeman’s club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave.

For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of ‘brainwashing under freedom’ to which we are subjected and which all too often we sere as willing or unwitting instruments.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
In 2009 one cannot enter the Sunshine Coast Airport (Maroochydore) as a Sunny Coast resident to greet interstate visitors without being subjected to a full security check; scanner, bags and full body search if deemed necessary.

One sign proclaims: we do not consider jokes about security to be amusing, violators will be prosecuted.

Underneath it, another implores us to: have a nice day.

Total Seps R Us; cop it sweet, Chickenshit Nation!

Ecky – dare ya to go in with a cucumber in your trousers and tell them it’s not a missile you’re just happy to see them. 😈
I’ll send you a nailfile in a cake.

They’re just outsourced little helpers of Fear-Mongerin’ Central, jen.
While on the theme, once saw some zany leftoid flick where this anarchist walks into a pigpen all plasticed-up, spreads his jacket to a “situation room” chocka with pre-pinkmist grunters.

I believe his parting words were:

“OK, BOYS…..LET”S GO !!”



Goddamn it – it’s hard enough just typing – do we have to play instruments as well now??

Jen, all the one-armed piccolo players of Flowerdale reckon you’re a rather accomplished flautist. Care to comment? 🙂

And have your nippers dragged you off to see Avavtar yet?

The Feds have opened up Mr Sanfords records and looks like a few honest Repug and Democrats are running for cover or may be a little nervous. Time to get rid of the entrenched corrupt lawmakers and get some new blood in there and corrupt them i suppose.

As the scandal unfolded, members of the Caribbean Caucus began returning their contributions.

Nineteen lawmakers gave back a total of $87,800 to the court-appointed receiver as of August. Others, including Meeks, Sessions, Sandlin, Sweeney and Crane, said they turned some of the money over to charities.

In addition, Democratic House member Charlie Rangel returned $11,800 to charities, and Democratic Florida Sen. Bill Nelson $45,000 to charities, half of which came from a fundraiser at Stanford’s Miami office in 2006.

On a brighter note,gaffy………..:hooded face emoticon:

Our descent is the familiar disease of decaying empires. The tyranny we impose on others we finally impose on ourselves. The influx of non-Muslim American activists into these facilities is another ominous development. It presages the continued dismantling of the rule of law, the widening of a system where prisoners are psychologically broken by sensory deprivation, extreme isolation and secretive kangaroo courts where suspects are sentenced on rumors and innuendo and denied the right to view the evidence against them. Dissent is no longer the duty of the engaged citizen but is becoming an act of terrorism.

More on China’s High Speed Rail.

China will build 42 high-speed passenger rail lines with a total length of 13,000 km in the next three years, covering more than 90 percent of the population.
It took more than 20 years to bump up the speed of passenger trains from 43 km/h in 1978 to 100 km/h in 2001.

But it took only nine years to triple it to 350 km/h, said Xu Fangliang, general engineer in charge of designing the Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed line.

Any guesses as to why China is leading the way in the world economies?

That about sums it up.
When i was reading it for some reason it kept saying to me that this is what the Rodent was telling us we needed for fear of terrorism. No doubt we have a milder version of it now with what happened to Haneef and Rau etc but had he retained Gubment we would surely have the full blown version copied from and with compliments of the Imbecile.
This is where the godbotherers are trying to take us.

If you have not been to somewhere like Shanghai it is well worth the experience of just going there to get lost in the experience of the main central station. I have not been to Beijing.
Shanghai has the population of Australia in a 100k square area and the majority rely on some form of public transport.
I also travelled on the highway to a city called Jinhua which is something like 380k south west of Shanghai and it is 8 lane split highway all the way. Their ability to move people leaves us and a lot of the west for dead.
I guess it becomes a reality of having to.
I believe the rapid rail, built by Germany, from the Shanghai international airport to the city is capable of in excess of 400kph and it is quite an experience riding a taxi in at 120kph and the train, which is beside the road a fair bit, goes wizzing by and becomes a dot in the distance in no time.
The taxi ride of course is like a full blown V8 supercar race all the way as well.

JFK Photo is a Fake
“In a colossal screw-up, the gossip web site today published a photo purporting to show John F. Kennedy frolicking on a yacht with a harem of naked women — except that the image actually appeared as part of a November 1967 Playboy photo spread,” The Smoking Gun has learned.

“The TMZ hoax was billed as an ‘exclusive’ featuring a photo that ‘could have altered world events’ had it surfaced prior to his presidential campaign.”

Blue Dog expects more centrist Dems to announce retirement before midterms

Political observers should expect more retirement announcements from centrist Democrats, according to Rep. Dan Boren (Okla.), himself a centrist Democrat.

Boren, who is being targeted for defeat by Republicans in 2010, said that a tough road ahead in 2010 could spur more Democrats to opt out of tougher races next fall.

“I think you’re probably going to see a few more [retirements], especially some of the older members who would rather leave on a high note,” Boren told The Oklahoman.
Four Democrats in centrist- or Republican-leaning districts have already said they won’t run again in 2010: Reps. Brian Baird (Wash.), Bart Gordon (Tenn.), John Tanner (Tenn.) and Dennis Moore (Kan.). Rep. Parker Griffith (Ala.) also left the Democratic Party to become a Republican earlier this month.
Analysts have projected that Republicans are likely to make inroads against Democrats’ 79-seat majority in the House, which Boren cited as a reason for additional retirements.

The Analysts will be WRONG! It will be George Bushes fault!!!!!

Gourmet Sep: (or…….Trapped in Warhole)

Yum, yum, tastes good! Thank You Uncle Sam.

December 29:

Dec 28:

Dec 28: Another hapless victim of the declining Fourth Estate:

Yeah, Rudi is good on his latest, gaffy.

g’hook at 672: “This is where the godbotherers are trying to take us.”

Word ’round Bondi has it that an expat Kiwi gb who answers to the name of, Moses Haka-Me-Dead, is trying to lead cerebrally-challenged Ozi dupes into the Rudd Sea. 🙂

Look at this Gouldie.
They are not called conspiracy theories anymore. They are now convenience theories.

Detroit Airliner Terror Incident: A Convenience Theory;

I am not one that sees conspiracies everywhere, but I do like a good Convenience Theory. Like the one that is coming together out of the botched terror attempt by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to blow up an airliner in Detroit just as it was arriving.

The Cash Committee: How Wall Street Wins On The Hill

In the fall of 2008, Democrats took the White House and expanded their Congressional majorities as America struggled through a financial collapse wrought by years of deregulation. The public was furious. It seemed as if the banks and institutions that dragged the economy to the brink of disaster — and were subsequently rescued by taxpayer funds — would finally be forced to change their ways.

But it’s not happening. Financial regulation’s long slog through Congress has left it riddled with loopholes, carved out at the request of the same industries that caused the mess in the first place. An outraged American public is proving no match for the mix of corporate money and influence that has been marshaled on behalf of the financial sector.

The banking committee is the second-largest in Congress — the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee has three more members — and is known as a “money committee” because joining it makes fundraising, especially from donors with financial interests litigated by the panel, significantly easier.

The Democratic leadership chose to embrace this concept, setting up the committee as an ATM for vulnerable rookies. Eleven freshman representatives from conservative-leaning districts, designated as “frontline” members, have been given precious spots on the committee. They have individually raised an average of $1.09 million for their 2010 campaigns, according to the Center for Responsive Politics; by contrast, the average House member has raised less than half of that amount.

“Enemy Combatant at 666 (do you choose your numbers?)”

Cat, only when I’m rolling my own :mrgreen:

Hell’s belles, Hussey, this must be a first. A plainly besotted man, Mordy Vanunu, placed under house arrest for having a mutually agreed upon naughty! Mossad have now adopted Sex Police duties.
Adolph Eichmann, fair enough, he deserved what he got. They done good there.
But Mordy is a pussy hound who has done his time and it’s time the bullying Mossad bastards got off his case. If Vanunu is a bad boy for lerve, that’s his business. Realistically, he’s just a shit-kicker in the game of “need to know” clandestine intrigue. But he embarrassed Israel for lying about their monster nuclear arsenel, so he has been placed on the permanent harrassment list of overseas Israeli spooks.

Vengeful fucken hypocrites.

Da woid from MoDo: Baz is looking a little lame in this “global war on stealth underwear”. BTW, where TF is Obi Dazzler?

Dec 30:

One thrilling thing about moving from W. to Barack Obama was that Obama seemed like an avatar of modernity.
W., Dick Cheney and Rummy kept ceaselessly dragging us back into the past. America seemed to have lost her ingenuity, her quickness, her man-on-the-moon bravura, her Bugs Bunny panache………….
(re pegging potential terrorist air travellers) We seemed to still be behind the curve and reactive, patting down grannies and 5-year-olds, confiscating snow globes and lip glosses*.

*this sentence was subsequently censored from the earlier online addition. Text is available at Steve Pizzo’s, Newsforreal, blog.

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Here’s to 2010,Ticsters, New Years Cheers, Y’All !!

It took Huffington Post a half hour to post information. Although it is the middle of the night over there.

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