An open thread in which to dicuss the ramifications of legislation currently being voted upon in The House. Will American citizens benefit as much as the Health Corps? Will the trillion-plus fistful of dollars be enough to make a dint in the diseases of the underclasses? And what will need happen for lawmakers to release a few dollars more to help their constituents in West Baltimore, “South Central” L.A. and those who like to go Deer Hunting with Jesus (the one reputed to have been a legendary healer himself, in his day)?
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1,291 replies on “A Nation's Health: the good, the bad and the ugly”
Fish-Man scales professional heights; nets top award:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/presenting_the_award-winning_mr_fish_20100503/
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85026
Get your kicks …..on Route 66:
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“Yeah, Kid, it’s a crazy, messed-up cockamamie world but remember this……
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85305
Abandoning GOP After Arizona Immigration Controversy.
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more here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/conservative-latinos-cons_n_560865.html
Coalition punishes Labor to take poll lead.
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more on this nightmare here…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/03/2889312.htm
gaffhook @ 1191
I had a listen. Imagine the lawsuits? And apparently this is much bigger than the Exxon Valdese disaster.
Chris B – Don’t fret too much about Newspoll
Possum injects some sanity here.
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2010/05/03/abbott-takes-the-lead/
And here’s a couple of his tweets…
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Katielou
There certainly will be some devestated souls and businesses and BP should deservedly cop the wrath heading in their direction.
I saw a bit of footage this morning where the barriers are being washed ashore etc. I am not sure if the oil has reached any landfall yet but if the barriers get washed ashore etc there is going to be one hell of a mess. So sad and here we have the mining companies and Abbott and his ilk screaming about a bit of tax on miners to make our world a better place. Huh!
If i could i would be doing a Morales on the lot of them and sharing the profits amongst the people.
Foreign ownership of media would be instantly banned.
The Rude Pundit has nailed it today as well.
I am not sure if they believe they will actually be able to plug it and certainly probbly not within the near future.
They will be trying something untested and then maybe plan B-X to Z.
By then it will be 10 times Valdese.
I generally fill my vehicle at BP because it is the closest/most convenient of all the rogue Big Oil mob.
I am now doing what Chris is doing, driving that little bit further to what now is one of the lesser disaster owners.
No more BP.
Somebody told me to go Shell. Cars love Shell cause it fucks them.
1205 Katielou Thanks KatieLou. I suspect its an outlier. As well as the bonus on the new tax system is yet to hit.
The oil disaster is surrounded by red states. I wonder what influence that will have on the election, if any.
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They will turn black.
A collection of incredible, recent photos of Afghanisatan here.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/afghanistan_april_2010.html
From twitter
🙁
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/nobody-knows-the-trouble_b_561796.html
😡
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/sarah-palin-says-trust-th_n_561660.html
I’ve seen some funny, evil fuckers over the years….But none more evil than Firstdog with a rectal thermometer. 😆
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/100504_Temperature.jpg
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That’s a very sobering piece on Huffpo Jen. 🙁
I think I worked out (on the back of an envelope) that it would take about 3 years for the well to spew as much oil as the Exxon Valdez lost. But the location in the gulf of Mexico is a lot more populated than Prince William sound and the consequences are all a lot more serious for humans as well as wildlife. What a mess!! 🙁
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill
http://www.salon.com/entertainment/comics/this_modern_world/2010/05/03/this_modern_world
May 4:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/tony-auth
May 4:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/pat-oliphant
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85319
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85333
Jen
1214 was a very interesting read but at 1215 the sight of her head brought on the spew bucket.
Congratulations to the young Aussie, the new world snooker champion.
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That’s a true gem by J.D.Crowe. Ecky.
Oily lawyers indeed.
There’s a beautiful sub header on Bernard Keane’s piece in Crikey today.
“How can you tell the mining industry is lying? It’s issued a press release.” 😆
http://tinyurl.com/27728tp
Looks like Roo has to cough up again but only a paltry $3mil.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/04/2890251.htm?section=justin
Wonder where they will get the money to pay this.
Maybe they can get a few million back from Geoff Dixon and his massive payout.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/7164361/qantas-has-to-pay-millions-lawyers/
Just sharing a funny tweet by Possum, who predicted the inquiry into the BER would be a positive for the Government, ‘coz you never call an inquiry unless you know the answer.
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😆 At least possum’s tweet was funny Katielou.
I’ve just finished wading through that report. Sheesh!! I’d forgotten just how painful it can be trying to read official documents. 20 mins of my life I won’t get back and possum pretty well summed it up in a tweet.
Nothing to see here pundits, move along now and stop screaming that the sky is falling. 🙂
I must say I’m pretty new to twitter but I love it. There’s lots of funny and interesting stuff on there. And sometimes when I tweet people they actually reply – like Leigh Sales and FirstDogonTheMoon.
Goodness me! Erik Prince: What an absolute charmer. NOT!
http://www.thenation.com/blog/secret-erik-prince-tape-exposed
Beware the evil twitter Katielou!!! 👿
Next you know, you’ll be getting distracted by all sorts of nonsense. Like muppets!!! 😆
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMP90xT0sQ&
In the primaries the GOP is swing to the right. All the better for the Democrats to look moderate and responsible.
God, where did you learn English Chris?
Rundle on Wales and the UK election.
[Christ this man can write like a friggin angel when he’s even halfway sober.]
http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/05/05/rundles-uk-24-hours-till-polls-open-people/#comment-71268
Fisher Wins Ohio Senate Nomination
Lee Fisher (D) defeated Jennifer Brunner (D) in the Democratic U.S. Senate race in Ohio and will face Rob Portman (R) in the general election this fall, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.
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A few more results here.
http://politicalwire.com
Health Care Bump at Last?
Tucked away in the latest CBS News/New York Times poll is some possible evidence for the elusive “health care bump,” the rise in poll numbers that Democratic leadership promised would result from the passage of the health care reform legislation.
Among independents, President Obama’s approval rating is 48% approve to 39% disapprove, up from 44% each in February, before health care was passed. On the specific subject of health care, independents continue to disapprove of Obama 40% to 45%, but that is a marked improvement over February when 31% approved and 60% disapproved.
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http://politicalwire.com
Sestak Makes it a Race
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This is very good news. I had written Sestak off!
more here…
http://politicalwire.com
Public optimism in economy growing, but still tepid.
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This is very handy coming up to November. Especially the monthly rate of improvement, although I doubt it will improve that much every month to November.
more here…
http://www.americablog.com/2010/05/public-optimism-in-economy-growing-but.html
In PA, DSCC spending heavily on Specter as Sestak is ‘within striking distance’.
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Primary on 18th of May.
http://www.americablog.com/2010/05/in-pa-dscc-spending-heavily-on-specter.html
I am starting to get feedback that places are booked out all over Australia on my birthday. The 9th of May.
Its not the first time places have taken lots of bookings on my birthday.
Once a jolly Firstdog, tweeted by a billabong ….. 😆
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/WaltzingMatilda.jpg
Chris B,
The RCP polling average seems to suggest that there might be some kind of bump for Obama occurring at the moment.
Hi David-
what’s the latest on a poll date in the whispering halls of the House?
Now here is some VERY handy information as to what to talk about running up to November. A series of words have been rated as to their positive and negative effects. I reckon the Democrats should work as many of these as possible in their speeches. Using them
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More Americans have a positive reaction to ‘progressive’ than ‘capitalism.’
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/04/poll-capitalism-progressive/
Oh dear. It seems like the Greek bailout is looking *very* shaky. 🙁
Hold on to your hats (and wallets) folks. I think the other shoe of the GFC might be about to drop.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Europe-stares-into-the-abyss-pd20100505-55S82?OpenDocument&src=sph
Even with Browns gaffe the polls have hardly moved since the first debate. Hopefully they reflect the real result.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/default.stm
Primary results.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/4/863608/-Primary-Round-Up
DSCC chairman Senator Robert Menendez has released a statement saying:
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That last sentence includes the election mantra. We will here a lot of that over the next 5 months.
more here..
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/4/863608/-Primary-Round-Up
“The tea-baggers”
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What the wingnuts don’t realise is the louder they scream the more they help the Democrats get out the vote.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/4/863408/-The-tea-baggers
With a hat tip to over the fence.
The Eton voting song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8KQf8kI_BU&feature=related
Calling all Taureans! Why, Chris, how lovely to see you. You look terrific. 🙂 Seems like Cat is out on the ran-tan, so your email sits in her cyber-cradle unclicked. Think the UK election is tomorrow so C&P a copy of it here in our Ed. Policy page(3rd item from top RHS column) and we’ll publish it as new thread.
Capital to see you also, Gouldie. 🙂
Paddy, JD Crowe’s was a corker of a toony orright. At first glance I though they were sea vultures. Trained scientists claim their habitat extends from the black lagoons of Oklahoma to the La Brea tar pits.
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http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85360
“Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We’re finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.
Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jFbf3KPkp8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlCSQVt6hvo
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85005
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May 4: No matter what happens there will always be 25-30% of Americans who buy this kinda bullshit. Bad mugs, as we are well aware in this country, are beyond educating. There is a case to be made that the same could be said of Sep-side rubes. But hey, I’m no sociologist. I just like to watch. 🙂
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/jeff-danziger
May 5:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/pat-oliphant
May 5:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/tom-toles
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85384
Meanwhile, in the Sate of Ah-Nuld……
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85406
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Arizona Justice: practical applications
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/85403
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We miss you, mommie. 🙂
Great article on Nick Clegg.
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Trust me, I’m Nick Clegg: How the also-ran stole the show
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I am still optimistic after reading this.
Much more here..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/05/nick-clegg-liberal-democrats-election
1240 David Gould Thanks David I’ll have a look.
While looking I found this.
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even more here…
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/05/04/latino_giant_to_change_us_politics_105418.html
1249 Enemy Combatant Thanks EC. No ones picked up the gag yet.
Done EC. Cat mustn’t be watching us. Quick misbehave before cat checks in.
EC Don’t forget the link from here to the new post.
Spanish EU presidency faces fresh embarrassment over Latin America summit.
more here…
http://euobserver.com/9/30014
Merkel backs creation of European credit rating agency.
more here…
http://euobserver.com/9/30001
Primary results.
http://www.electoral-vote.com
List of upcoming races.
The best being
Bill Halter vs Blanche Lincoln
Sestak vs Specter
It would be nice to get the double Sestak and Halter.
No predictions from me.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126373016&ft=3&f=1014,1016,1123
Gen. Paul Eaton: John McCain and Pete King Putting American Lives at Risk.
By: Phoenix Woman Wednesday May 5, 2010 6:00 am
Very damaging stuff for the Republicans. The old law and order issue coming to the front and not from the party you would expect to push it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk3-OauUgrM
Cheech Marin has quit pot, found god and now takes his humour, “graveyard”. All Padre Cheech wanted was a life of prayer and good works. Fat chance. He just can’t quit The Game. Spritual Manana-Land will have to wait. An encounter with an old amigo gets Cheech seething about earthly injustices. By a cruel twist of fate, Zorro and The Cisco Kid are unavailable for anger management counselling.
In a tour-de-force of onscreen magnetism Lindsay Lohan, who is off the stuff too, delivers the most cerebral performance of her turbulent career.
The film is touchingly dedicated by a Mexican “businessman” to the great State of Arizona.
Will the honour of American Aparteid be vindicated or……
“did they just fuck with the WRONG MEXICAN?”
Rated—XV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y1AbjZIrpk
Definitely one of the better pisstakes I’ve seen lately Ecky. 😆
This one’s quite fun as well.
(Who knows, it might even do some good in the old dart.)
http://twitpic.com/1l1syx
UK election still on track for a hung parliament. 🙂
Jen,
Unfortunately, I do not have much information to impart. The only word that I am getting is that the election is more likely to be held some time in October, which would mean that I would not win the betting pool. Not much help, I am afraid.
The NBN report is being released today in Australia. Rumour has it that the cost will be half of the $43 billion budgeted. The question of whether it will pay for itself without Telstra on board remains to be seen. I hope so. That will force them in.
October the 16th is the day I’ve heard people are predicting for the Federal election.
Now I have just heard a rumour that they will not go until February …
Don’t believe it, personally.
I blogged Antony Green who said “the elction will happen when it does…” 🙄
There is an array of unknown unknowns they have to take into account for this election. The answer is unknown.
A little bit of poetry for ticsters all. 😆 (NSFW)
Guy Rundle hits the keyboard with…..
“Evidently Deveny Town” (after John Cooper Clarke, and for CD)
http://tinyurl.com/2c34o3x
The British press front pages on election eve.
😆 The Sun is particularly original. 👿
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/gallery/2010/may/06/general-election-2010-newspapers-front-pages?picture=362252670
And just to surpise the pants off you all- it appears that the oil spill may have been the result of years of Bush and Cheyney playing doctors with the oil companies.
There is no end to the depth of disastor these fuckers have caused.
(And now the mining companies here are jumping into bed with Tony to bully us all into letting them rip the guts out of our country and keep the money in their own pockets.) *biting tongue*
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/sex-lies-and-oil-spills_b_564163.html
I think it’s so cool that the writers for The Daily Show helped Obama with his recent White House Correspondents dinner speech.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-02/obama-trounces-leno
There’s a good piece in today’s Financial Review about the resource super profits tax by John Freebairn whose an economist with Melbourne Uni. He explains how the tax works, and notes that even after the application of a 40% RSPT, the mines
This is because the 40% tax will be calculated after a deduction for a normal rate of return on debt plus equity capital.
Gawd, “whose” should be “who’s”
Corporate Scum Responds To Legal Dispersant:
http://www.commondreams.org/print/55705
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/anti-gay-preacher-george-rekers-took-rentboy-on-holiday-as-an-aide/story-e6frg6so-1225863027782
It seems that if you are anti-gay, the chances are reasonable that you yourself are gay but trapped in a religion that causes you to loathe yourself and by extension those like you. What a destructive belief system.
Makes sense to me David. The vehemence comes from self hatred and shame.
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David
Check out the Rude Pundits take on it.
Some excellent news on NBN.
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/consumers-the-biggest-winners-of-nbn-20100506-udz0.html
Some excellent news on NBN.
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/consumers-the-biggest-winners-of-nbn-20100506-udz0.html
P.S. Please disregard the copy of this post sitting in moderation. I spelt my email address wrong. D’oh!
If any of us had any doubt remaining over whose interests the media in this country serves, then the hysteria of the last few days over the resource tax should have cleared that up nicely. I wonder if Kev will have the minerals to start a new state-owned enterprise to provide a little friendly competition to the mining chooks.
Hussy –
I thnk the best approach is to treat the mining companys’ (and Abbott’s) scare mongering with the contempt it deserves.
They are not going anywhere, and hopefully most people will see this for what it is – throwing a tantrum that makes them look like petulant brats.
If Rudd backs down on this he really will prove that he is completely spineless.
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I’d have to agree Hussy on the resource tax.
Also, the stunning hypocrisy of every media outlet and their dog over the BER, has also been quite a shit storm and it ain’t over yet.
Speaking of dogs………
Firstdog has his usual bite at our favourite ranga.
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/BER.jpg
Plus, David Llewellyn-Smith over on Business Spectator is in good form, as he sums up the commentariat on the resources rent tax..
http://tinyurl.com/29mz8qr
GetUp is running a campaign to ring your local ALP member re: climate change.
I just called to lodge my protest and also note my objection to the internet filter.
Apparently a lot of callers today.
EC whens the new thread going up. Only one hour before the polls open.
Chris it’s up. Trying to tidy things up a bit like ditching my monnicker from the title etc.
Thanks. Link?
At the top Chris at the top.
I think I spotted Miss Cat playing with Possum.
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Jen
That’s a definite sighting. Glad she’s still alive and kicking. 😆
NEW THREAD
https://politic.osm.net/2010/05/the-uk-election-by-chris-b/