The way this issue of AS has been politicised is abhorrent .
Asylum seekers eventually become immigrants once processed-it is just the arrival and treatment while waiting for acceptance that is the cause for concern.
Just a few thoughts that are coloured by the fact that I, like many others, was born in a country that was occupied during WW2 and my father(in the resistance) was desperate to take us as far from Europe as possible.. With 4 children he only just scraped in by lying about his occupation as there was no demand for his skills. Once in NZ , the reality overwhelmed him at times but he could never return -lack of money, pride, children settled . While safe with a house and income , there was nevertheless huge grief at loss of family, language, culture, etc. hidden under pride and bravado. So even at the best of times, migration has a real downside.
At the time, Australian immigrants were sent direct into migrant camps whereas NZ allowed farmers to sponsor families directly, so there seems to be a history here of ‘grouping’, which, while supportive in many ways ,can also backfire when there are ill-feelings . By living separately in the community, we adopted the new country and language as our own much faster than my relatives who came here to Oz.
Have watched immigrants overseas in particular where they face discrimination and many spend much time looking over their shoulders, struggling with language often for a pittance not to mention the problems their children often face especially if their appearance is different. And resentment if they do too well. For every success there are many failures.
Criminals do slip through normal immigration channels anyway (Cosa Nostra, Chinese Triads, etc.) and the ‘political terrorist’ branding often depends on hue of government in power at the time (Habib now visiting Egypt is case in point) So I can’t understand why it takes so long to process residency applications other than it being used as a deterrent . ( Applies to UK, EU,etc. applicants as well .)
Unfortunately for Australia, too many want to come HERE- not anywhere else- and not just for refuge. Often those who really need to escape, can’t. Those on boats have paid agents often the last of their money ,as Jewish people did in the ’40s, and are not aware of the standard of boats they will be travelling on. I think children are often sent ahead as footholds, the same way the Chinese sent their kids here as students and then were able to immigrate under the family reunion scheme. I can’t blame people for wanting to improve their lives.
Immigration from Europe stopped once safety was re-established, living conditions improved and those who were unhappy in their new country spread the word of disappointment back home.
Now all these years later, while I can understand my father’s desperation and fear, I often wonder if he would have done it again, given a second chance. And he didn’t even risk life and limb on a leaky boat.
It would be interesting to know if any follow up has been done of those refugees who arrived in leaky boats and were eventually settled during the Howard years? Those women and children who were stuck behind razor wire, how are they now?
Legacy of a sad difficult problem, dangerously inflamed by one J.W. Howard.
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How do we take control of the agenda from the GOP?
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http://www.americablog.com/2011/08/how-do-we-take-control-of-agenda-from.html
Does it ring a bell?
gaffhook,
The Library do not officially keep such information, as it is considered too political. However, unofficially, they do have tables of how the independents vote in the House of Representatives. I am not sure if these will help you or not. But if you want them I can email them through (can you email me on david.gould@aph.gov.au or davidchegould@bigpond.com so I can be sure I have your correct email address).
Daviv, don’t worry about it mate i just thought there may have been a part of hansard like the US houses where you can easily find out how a rep voted.
That’ll be David of course.
I love cartoonists.
http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/08/15/1226115/495479-110816-nicholson.jpg
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gaffhook says:
I love cartoonists.
So do I Gaffy 😆
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Convoy.jpg
Excellent piece from Bernard Keane in today’s Crikey.
An Australian bill allowing foreign govts to demand user data on a vast scale from telcos is at a crucial stage
http://t.co/nvmchWG
103 gaffhook Monty Python?
Possible big breakthrough for the NBN. Killer application. Other than faster porn.
Demetriou hints at AFL TV.
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Chris
That sort of thing will be the norm in 3-5 years time.
Murdoch will be selling fresh air as far as sports goes.
It will be dirt cheap to buy a direct telecast from the sporing body and cut out mordor. I can’t wait to see it happen.
Stand by for more breaking news on the phone hacking front via @Bynickdavies on twitter.
Should be on the Guardian website by aprox 10 pm AEST 16/8/11
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
Oops! 😆
http://t.co/wEprBmd
Paddy,
The worm tin has been opened.
The guts of it all by Nick Davies. Onya Nick.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/16/phone-hacking-now-reporter-letter
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gaffy, they’re not worms…They’re fucking great big snakes!! 😆
Oh this is going to be a fun time for Rupert and the clan 👿
Paddy
Commonly known as your chickens coming home to roost, trouble is they are the size of emus and they are about to kick the fucken house down. 😆
links to all the correspondence.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/further-news-international-correspondence/
A former News of the World reporter has alleged that there was a massive cover-up of phone hacking at the paper.
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No credibility whatsoever. Awesome news!!!!!!
More guys…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/16/phone-hacking-cover-up-news-of-the-world-clive-goodman_n_927939.html
Hmmm. Which party has News Limited been backing?
James Murdoch Could Be Recalled As ‘Devastating’ Papers Cast Doubt Over His Evidence.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/08/16/phone-hacking-select-comm_n_927925.html
Both Democrats are holding their seats in Wisconsin comfortably.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scoreboard.php
It’s a positively GOLDEN gay wedding from Firstdog today.
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/BarnabyVsTheGays.jpg
OMFG!! It’s hard to believe this isn’t just Hollywood make believe….
Oh wait!
Ron Paul “The one who can beat Obama”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pChzOaIeyxY&feature=youtu.be
Both of the Democratic Wisconsin state senators up for recall elections have survived.
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I wonder if mr Cameron is about to deliver his profound apology and then followed by his resignation speech.
The letter that suddenly popped up mysteriously in the middle of the August holidays is further proof, if any is needed, that the hacking scandal is starting to unravel at increasing speed and moving closer and closer to the centre of power in News Corporation.
Anyone who has been involved at any stage must be feeling like a looter whose face was caught on CCTV and picture published in the newspapers. It is only a matter of time before the police get around to calling if they haven’t already.
The Select Committee has wisely left the biggest fish of all – James Murdoch – for now, to allow some more of the evidence to simmer.
http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2011/08/17/at-last-the-smoking-gun-that-has-been-missing-from-the-hacking-affair/
Sorry, mucked up the blockquotes. Should start at “The letter”.
Just when you thuoght the Americans couldn’t go much lower than electing George W as president……
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/17/moore.perry.bush/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
Murdoch USA. The smoking gun!
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/17/whistleblower-murdoch-empire
Riot sentence rift opens between Liberal Democrats and Conservatives.
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How the worm turns.
More here…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/17/riots-sentence-liberal-democrats-conservatives
Katielou,
We were having the discussion in my office that if Rick Perry came to the presidency we would become nostalgic for George W very quickly …
Watch out ticsters…. Firstdog has come up with a wonderful invention that will make pigs fly.
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/WhyDontYouJustFactOff.jpg
KatieLou and David –
say it can’t be so!
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bit of GetUp action if oyu don’t already have the link …
mine goes to Sophie
http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/marriage-equality/petition/sign-now?t=dXNlcmlkPTk5MzA1OCxlbWFpbGlkPTMwMA==
Keryn Phelps gives Miranda Devine a nice kick in the crotch.
http://thehoopla.com.au/kerrynphelps/
Another greenbottle accidentally falls.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/18/phone-hacking-news-of-the-world?CMP=twt_gu
How charming if he never gets his facts wrong in hollywood because they find out he is getting these never wrong facts simply by hacking phones.
😆 😆
Groupthink caption
http://www.groupthink.com.au/2011/08/17/groupthink-caption-contest-dead-animal-edition/
Here’s one for EC.
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Tom Waits/Cookie Monster mashup – God’s Away On Business
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5X4N2exOsU
Obama Calls for Syrian President to Step Down
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/world/middleeast/19diplo.html?_r=1&hp
Looks like they’re all ganging up on poor little Syria.
Via twitter.
BREAKING — In a joint statement, French President Sarkozy, German Chancellor Merkel and UK PM Cameron have called on Assad to resign.
Vale Paul Lockyer 🙁
http://www.abc.net.au/news/
Jen,
I am seriously worried about Rick Perry getting the nomination at this point. Obama’s numbers are going through the floor and the economy is crashing, with no good news in sight for the US.
This means that even a lunatic like Perry has a chance of beating Obama at this point – indeed, some polls show that in a head-to-head match up he is only five points behind.
We always need pessimists like me to remind us that the US voted Bush in twice, the second time with a bigger margin than the first time. If they can vote in Bush then there is a chance that they might just vote someone less benign and less intelligent.
As such, I am seriously starting to consider that for the good of the world we want Romney to win the nomination even if that makes it more likely that Obama will lose the election. I would rather a 40 per cent chance of a Romney presidency than a 25 per cent chance (or even a 10 per cent chance) of a Perry presidency.
Romney is, after all, pretty much as liberal as you would expect from someone from Massachusetts – pro-choice, believes in global warming, believes in universal health care (although not a national system) and so on. He might even be pro gay marriage if you strapped him to a lie detector …
I share your worry David. I don’t think I’m quite as pessimistic as you, but I do feel there is a real, if small chance, they could elect Perry as President. Worse than Bush? – it’s really hard to wrap my mind around what the US might do under a Perry presidency.
Still, whenever there are polls measuring Obama against individual candidates, he’s winning so far. A long way to go.
And I’m feeling so sad about the loss of the three incredible ABC staff, Paul Lockyer, Gary Ticehurst and John Bean. I’ve been tearing up all morning listening to the ABC even though I don’t know them personally. Just so tragic.
The twitterverse does come up with some amusing stuff:
Kasich Opponents: Repeal Your Anti-Union Law — Then We’ll Talk.
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David “We always need pessimists like me to remind us that the US voted Bush in twice, the second time with a bigger margin than the first time. You left out one very important fact.” Following the events of 911. Otherwise polls prioir to 911 indicated he would not be returned.
Obamas low numbers concern me too David. At the moment he is still higher than the alternative. Note: At the moment.
Also worth noting. Obama has just swung into campaign mode and is touring some states by bus.
Polls against generic opponents show Obama doing better. Mind you if the Republicans could find a good candidate Obama would be in trouble.
Elizabeth Warren Launches Exploratory Committee For Possible Senate Run Against Scott Brown.
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Gov. Perry on teaching evolution in Texas……
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/08/18/perry-questioned-evolution-and-creationism-new-hampshire-says-texas-teaches-both#ixzz1VR9hCvR1
The huge financial mess the world is in just happens to coincide with the world being dominated by conservative governments.
Obama’s Economic Numbers: Down, Down, and Up.
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Perry’s War With the Bushies.
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Tea Party: The Christian Right in Disguise?
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Is the SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes?
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Rick Perry’s university grades and we thought George Bush wasn’t very smart.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2011/08/do_we_need_another_dumb_texan/perry_transcript.jpeg
Russ Feingold Not Running In 2012
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Tammy Baldwin. Openly gay progressive candidate. Like a red rag to a bull.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ap-wi-wisconsinsenate,0,7093251.story
and here…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Baldwin
Please let it be so.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/19/us-murdoch-emails-police-idUSTRE77I58B20110819
Chris B,
9/11 occurred three years prior to the election in November 2004. You cannot draw any conclusions from polls prior to that: polls that far out have limited predictive ability.
If Rupert gets hold of this we’ll all be rooned.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Geeky-Science-The-Ultimat-by-Thom-Hartmann-110819-558.html
163 David Gould Correct.
Karl Rove Created Rick Perry — Now Can He Stop Him?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/19/karl-rove-rick-perry_n_931945.html
David. i didn’t realise it was that far out.
This is a fascinating mash up of 50 eminent academics on religion and god (the lack thereof). Includes Oliver Sachs, Stephen Hawking, Noam Chomsky and many Nobel Laureats.
http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2011/07/27/science-vs-religion-50-famous-academics-on-god/
This is a very good, considered, article on Michele Bachmann.
http://www.economist.com/node/21526349?fsrc=scn/tw/te/ar/beingmichelebachmann
Can anyone explain to me how troglodytes like the right wing nut bags are able to be leaders on the Internet in using technolgy and setting up blogs eg The Drudge Report and thinkers like the liberal/progressives were slow in taking it up? They have caught up and passed them since. It is illogical.
Howard ‘called in US favour’ to charge Hicks
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Whoah!
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Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/howard-called-in-us-favour-to-charge-hicks-20110820-1j3po.html#ixzz1VfOje1RE
Stumbled across this re # 170 It seems the right wing still has the numbers on the Internet. Yet we call them backwards????
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/20/top-tech-stats_n_932088.html#s334372
Amazing photo
100+ years of dictatorship b/w them. Ben Ali, Saleh, Qaddafi & Mubarak, smiling < one year ago. http://t.co/PnBsotF
Firstdog goes the mongrel with a simple tick and flick.
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/TickAndFlick.jpg
House’s Most Vulnerable Redistricted Members
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Interesting.
http://politicalwire.com
Watching question time. The government is in total control! Very impressed. Especially on climate control. Simon Crean is dishing it out at the moment.
Ita Buttrose: Rupert Murdoch told me to have someone followed.
The fall of a dictator.
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When will the Frizz Head surrender?
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\Chris
The lieberals are not only a pack of schoolboys at QT they adopt the role of schoolyard bully in the corridors.
http://www.vexnews.com/2011/08/a-sledge-too-far-bullying-the-pm-in-canberras-corridors-not-a-good-look-for-pyne-hockey/#comments
Unfortunately Mr Mulcare has been ordered to reveal names and the stew may prevented whereby he wins his court case against NoW to keep paying his legals.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/22/glenn-mulcaire-lawsuit-pushes-rupert-murdoch-s-shadow-man-into-spotlight.html
Coulson got hundreds of thousands of pounds from News Int.
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Murdoch asked to have subject followed: Buttrose.
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Ok where’d that “Advertisement: Story continues below” come from. Its certainly not in the story. Weird!
David. An excellent piece on How PPP Became The ‘It’ Democratic Pollster.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/just-a-few-short-years.php?ref=fpc
Excellent piece on why we need the mining tax.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/its-time-to-invest-before-mining-boom-goes-bust-20110822-1j6sq.html
That bloody Firstdog simply has no respect for parrots.
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/IsItFloriade_.jpg
😆 😆
Just One Week Into His Campaign, Rick Perry Disavows His Nine-Month-Old Book
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/08/22/300479/rick-perry-disavows-fed-up/
Heading north for a couple of days.See ya all next week.
Romney Ties Obama in National Poll.
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http://politicalwire.com
Perry Grabs Lead in Iowa
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http://politicalwire.com
Conservative Elites Still Looking for a Candidate.
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Conservative interlectual? Now there is an oxymoron.
http://politicalwire.com
Cool link: Let’s you see who voted which way in the house of reps.
http://www.aph.gov.au/house/info/liveminutes/index.htm
Ah yes… As queer as a three Bob note.
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/QueerAs.jpg
Just a heads up ticsters. Tonight is the premier appearance of Grog’s Gamut AKA Greg Jerico on The Drum. @ 6.pm AEST ABC24
If Craig Thomson is forced out of the current situation. The result is not necessarily a forgon conclusion. He hold the seat by 11% TPP. But I would rather not fight an election under the current circumstances. News Limited would throw its full weight behind the Liberal candidate at any cost.
Meant to say over the current situation.
If only Firstdog could actually program apps……I might even be persuaded to get a mobile phone.
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/MoreiApps2.jpg
been off air thanks to telstra for 4 days …
feel utterly depondent with Obama constantly undermined by the TeaPartyand the Convoy of Morons represented by Abbott running the agenda in Australia …
all thanks to Rupert’s unrelenting spreading of misinformation and nonsense so that the general populace is kept ignorant .
what hope.
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paddy –
just saw FirstDog’s apps ..
I want the Keating and Rupert ones.