That is the existential question of our elected parliament. One of the most fascinating aspects of contemporary Oz Politics is the relationship between the NBN-phobic Rupert Murdoch and Neville Wran’s former Silk du Jour—now shadow Comms Minister—Petit Mal de Wentworth, the loyal Liberal tasked by his Dear Leader to not merely remove from the national agenda, but to DESTROY our NBN.
Pokud se chcete zaregistrovat, je nutné zaškrtnout souhlas se zprácováním osobních údajů. Doporučili byste tuto suplementaci, pokud ano, tak pouze vitamínu k1 nebo společně lekarnavceske k1 a d1 anebo k1, d1 a ca.
Call it a hunch , but after the way Fontleroy Wentworth was rolled from the tory top spot by the Monky Prince with the OO’s nod, I don’t believe the man who conjured Godwin Grech is too fond of Rupert OR Anthony! Some commentators see Malcs as being in the Death Seat. I don’t. Without the pressures of opposition leadership perpetually upon him, I think Malcolm Turnbull, one of the greatest bullshit artists to ever grace the hallowed halls of our Capital, has the patience and smarts to fuck both Abbott and Rupert.
Windsor and Oakeshott stated the NBN was a major factor in them going with Gillard.
The stakes couldn’t be higher. The control of the NEW medium— and thus the message— is up for grabs. Staggeringly until quite recently, the new paradigm came as a surprise to Rupert’s arse. As we’ve been witnessing, the day of the msm locusts is at hand. Hyper-alert,”trained” paparazzi are poised to swarm the first whiff of centre-leftist blood. Bewildered backbenchers have been told to cancel all travel and holiday plans. Klutzes are being coccooned; motor-mouths, muzzled. Good old-fashioned Team Play is flavour of the month in Party rooms.
We should be so lucky already. Let us rejoice in this year of the Team Player!
Kinda makes a guy wanna rush out and join a power-breakfast worship group.
How would Leo Strauss or Niccy Machiavelli, Gould of The Hill or Plouffe & Axelrod read this one?
Shall this government of ours, Ticsters, proceed to term or is the rule of Ranga I of Oz rife for Abbortion?
801 replies on “To Term Or Not To Term?”
Conway Leads 200+ Candidates In Demanding No Cuts To Social Security.
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More here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/18/conway-leads-200-candidat_n_766133.html
Young Guns – Or Loose Cannons? Extremist Dopes Prepared To Shut Down Government.
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Just another reason to get out the vote. More here…
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/young-guns-or-loose-cannons-extremist
Rand Paul Refuses to Shake Hands at End of Debate with Jack Conway.
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More here including videos and link to debate….
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rand-paul-refuses-shake-hands-end-debate-j
At last I’m starting to see some action from the Democrats. Maybe they do know how to bare knuckle fight.
Harry, So You Think will have to whinney en Francais for his oats if connections set him for a crack at the Arc. Otherwise he’ll cop serious attitude from the locals.
Enjoyed your obsevations about the essential democratic nature of the sport of kings.
Betty Windsor also races pigeons as well as neddies. Some time ago she “poached” the pigeon-whispering paysano who was always beating her birds and gonged him, with attendant salary, Royal Loftier.
Now commoner pigeon racers don’t win as many Flock One events. 🙂
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Chris B, glad you’re feeling a tad more confident about the Dems’ prospects. Reckon the polls reflect the Dingbat Repulsion Factor more than Kidophilia. We’ll see what sort of a turnout the Dems deliver soon enough.
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Former political prisoner advances to eighth rank. Gets heaps of free publicity.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/19/3041798.htm
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Grug’s Gamut got a tweet on Q&A last night suggesting that Mike Kelly was ministerial material. I thought Kelly’s grace under fire was noteworthy. Kelly also said that in Eden-Monaro it was a Community Radio Station that the majority tuned to for their info.
Like to see the actual ratings, but with the NBN being a Big Deal for the former bellwether seat constituents, one can’t help but get the impression that Citizen Rupert is losing traction with the electorate that Mike Kelly represents.
Obama On ‘Mythbusters’: President Appearing On Discovery Show.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/18/obama-on-mythbusters-discovery_n_766248.html
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Obama Hosts White House Science Fair To Encourage STEM Education.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/18/obama-hosts-white-house-s_n_766621.html
To quote Paul Keating. Obama’s switched to vaudeville.
Veterans Group Files FEC Complaint Against The Chamber: Foreign Funds Pose ‘Clear And Present Danger’ To U.S. Democracy.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/18/veterans-pac-fec-complaint-chamber-commerce-danger_n_766892.html
Thanks EC. They just left the timing a little longer than I expected. Fingernail biting stuff. But I guess they know what they are doing.
Guy Rundle gives his normal pungent take on the Mama Grizzly in today’s Crikey editorial.
Bloody scary stuff indeed.
BTW
Crikey’s running a Rundle File page during the mid-terms that appears to be free. (Albeit with a day’s delay.)
Worth checking out.
http://www.crikey.com.au/topic/rundles-america/
Good grief!! What’s the world coming to?
Get those kids off my lawn!!
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Children.jpg
Paddy,
I agree with Rundle. It’s real, it’s happening and it’s bloody scary.
I still remember the ill chill i got when i watched this live in 2007. It was an eerie feeling of…this can’t be happening…but it was…and it is. Her speech was horrible enough but the performance was the scary thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6B7-PM35NU
Paddy, notorious Glock-Jock, Brother Mouzone, has had a quiet word. He inferred that it would probably be best if you read this article before he starts asking you relevant questions. 🙂
A seriously superb essay. Recommend it to all.
“The combination of commitment to right-wing politics, reach and irresponsibility is literally unprecedented in the modern age of American politics; it’s as if Joe McCarthy were not just a senator but a television network as well.”
“Fox invite Republican politicians and conservative propagandists to come on and lie, outright, about both people and policy and then build on those lies to tell even larger lies. In doing so, they engage in conspiracy theories so lurid and outlandish that one is tempted to turn on The Twilight Zone for a reality check.”
http://www.thenation.com/article/37165/kabuki-democracy?page=full
They are engaging in these conspiracy theories because, unfortunately, the vast majority of the populace love conspiracy theory thinking. Fox News has the reach to present these conspiracy theories to a vast relatively mainstream audience, and audience that was previously protected to some extent from their own irrational tendencies by the fact that media organisations were serious purveyors of news, not opinion spewers. But the internet has shown the old media the power of opinion and – more frighteningly – the power of conspiracy theory opinion.
As I have written previously, humans are attracted to overarching explanations for events. This is why the vast majority of us subscribe to some form of supernaturalism. With supernaturalism weakening, the next thing we look for is human agency as the powerful unseen force driving events for some unknown – but usually malefic – purpose.
And we are obviously attracted to the conspiracy theories that suit our previous thinking. This is why those on the left are attracted to conspiracy theories surrounding 9-11. And it is why those on the right are attracted to conspiracy theories around the science of global warming.
The internet is seriously damaging our ability to think rationally. No longer are their gatekeepers of knowledge who take their responsibilities seriously. Mirroring the internet, which is what Fox News does (see the number of right-wing bloggers who get *regularly* interviewed – Watts, Morano, Breitbart et cetera), is the way forward for the old media. I am not sure how this can be successfully opposed, as rational argument cannot defeat irrationality.
David,
Conspiracy theory can be equally logical and rational as it can be illogical and irrational…..just like human beings.
Some might see the irrational want to debunk ALL conspiracy theory as a…well…conspiracy theory.
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Wow Ecky!! That is indeed a superb piece of writing.
But boy, it’s also a depressing summary of the state of play in the good ol’ USofA . 🙁
It’s hard to see how they are going to wriggle out of the mess they’re in without a bucket load of tears.
Ta for the link. I’ll pass it on to a few other depressives. 🙂
HarryH,
A conspiracy theory can be logical and rational. Conspiracy theory thinking, however – which is what I have always argued against – is *never* logical and rational, even when by chance it happens to fix upon a real conspiracy.
I have stated many, many, many, many times that it is obvious that conspiracies exist. It is the thinking that automatically puts events into a conspiracy that I am attacking. And this thinking is, unfortunately, very common.
As an obvious example, 9-11 *was* a conspiracy: a group of Saudi Arabian Islamic extremists conspired to commit mass murder.
Other examples include any crime which was planned in advance between two or more people.
Where conspiracy theory thinking takes hold is when people move beyond the evidence. Where conspiracy theory thinking becomes dangerous is when people move *against* the evidence. Most people will speculate beyond the evidence – I do all the time. Unfortunately, it seems that most people caught up in this kind of deal end up moving against the evidence.
In general, conspiracy theory thinking can be detected when a person is placing superhuman competence alongside superhuman malevolence. Hollywood movies have their villains with these qualities, as it makes good theatre. And that is because it it as story that taps into the deeply held beliefs of most of humanity about how the universe operates. Now we have media organisations and bloggers all over the internet using that story. And many people are falling for it for real.
David,
Conspiracy theory boils down to trust.
It is up to those with “the eveidence” to engender that trust in them.
Else we get “conspiracy theory madness”.
Speaking of conspiracies, I have been hearing some good things about a new american tv show called Rubicon. One to look out for in the tv guide.
OTOH, Treme has been tough going for me, perhaps I will get more in to it a later date, it took me a long while to overcome my natural aversion to tv cop dramas before I could force myself to watch a couple of episodes of The Wire.
HarryH,
I do not think that they boil down to trust. What they boil down to is a willingness – nay, an eagerness – by many to believe the absolute worst about people that they disagree with.
A recent example is the furore over the 10-10 exploding kids video (which I thought hilarious satire). Many climate change deniers, instead of seeing the obvious satire, jumped on this as *evidence that environmentalists wanted to kill them*. When I challenged them on this, *they accused me of wanting to kill them*. And they were not joking.
It had nothing to do with trust. It had to with the story that they were telling each other of an amazingly competent and amazingly malevolent (and amazingly homogenous) force of people who were plotting their literal destruction.
You can distrust and disbelieve someone without jumping to the notion of conspiracy. Incompetence explains far more that happens in this world than competence.
I would also ask: how would Obama engender trust in the birthers, for example? There is nothing that he can do – there was never anything that he could do. You cannot fight irrationality with rational argument. The irrationality engenders the mistrust, not the other way round.
David
In reply to your #522 i would simply repeat my #514
HarryH,
As I have said, it is conspiracy theory thinking that I am really concerned about. From my perspective, the way that the birthers, the climate change deniers, the 9-11 Truthers, the moon-landing hoaxers and so forth operate (in terms of the way they structure their arguments) are identical. And this kind of argumentation/thinking is being fuelled by the internet.
And re trust, simple mistrust of, say, George W. Bush does not explain many of the conspiracy theories around 9-11, because many of those theories rely on many people who are not George W. Bush also being in on the conspiracy – particularly those scientists and engineers who examined the evidence. (This applies to theories like the controlled demolition theory or the missile hitting the pentagon theory – or the much whackier ‘microwave laser from space’ theory).
David
The internet has hindered the controlled message.
The internet has shone a light on power… All sorts of power. Some of it is ugly stuff.
Conspiracy theory is perfectly rational.
Some people are rational. Some people are irrational.
You seem to reluctantly acknowledge some instances of rational conspiracy but then want to concentrate on bunking all conspiracy theorists into one irrational bundle.
I understand your argument, but i tend to disagree with you.
speaking of conspiracy theorists- this actually makes sense to me…
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2010/s3042314.htm
HarryH,
My argument is *not* about conspiracy theories per se. It is about conspiracy theory thinking, of which I have given many examples and which I have attempted – obviously poorly – to explain.
As to ‘hindering the controlled message’ sure. The problem is that the vast majority of the uncontrolled messages are complete crap. So instead of working with a controlled message which we can investigate and challenge, we have a complete pile of nonsense, most of which goes uninvestigated and unchallenged simply because there is too much of it.
Everyone can now pick their poison, but the vast majority of it is in fact poison.
The internet has done many good things. But when I look at the success that the climate change conspiracy theorists have had in using the internet and the failure that science had had on the internet, it makes me worry for the future. Science has been communicated in a controlled manner in the past. This is because it requires serious commitment and training to master a small part of science. But with the internet whacky science can propagate freely and because people do not have the skills to differentiate the whacky science has as much power to compel as real science.
And science is the least corruptible – in this sense – of human endeavour. Politics is the most corruptible, and it is becoming consumed by it in the US. My fear is that this will spread elsewhere. I hope that the phenomenon is culturally specific to the US. But I do not think that we are going to be that lucky.
HarryH,
Re bundling them, when the evidence points to a conspiracy, I accept it – the official 9-11 explanation, for example. When there is no evidence for one – or worse, the theory runs counter to the evidence – I reject it. I do my best not to believe in things for which there is no evidence, and I hope that I do not believe in anything which is counter to the evidence ( I am sure I do, though: everyone does, as we are irrational beings as well as rational ones).
Jen,
I certainly agree that there is a lot of lying/deliberate misrepresentation going, and some of this may be organised at some level – the CATO Institute, for example.
We agree.
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Enjoyed the chat David and my conspiracy theory that the longer one spends in Canberra the longer one enjoys a debate/argument is still alive and well…
cheers
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There’s that trust issue again. The more institutes of power are seen to be lieing and biased and corrupt, the more legs conspiracy theories will get.
If you can’t believe “the evidence” being fed to you or you can’t believe the group feeding you “the evidence”….well….
…of course, i agree with you that if “the evidence” is ACTUALLY EVIDENCE then that is where debate or reluctance to accept should end.
But again, it gets back to trust. That is the big problem that “Power” in it’s many forms now has.
If you continue to decieve…………..
And I have lived in Canberra for nearly 40 years now, so I’m a lost cause …
HarryH,
I agree. But I am worried that we have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. That may be the fault of those in power. But it will not be them who bear the consequences. We run the risk of science being relegated to an arm of politics, as it was in the Soviet Union, except this time not through state control of the message but through any message being obscured by noise, with opinions on complex issues indistinguishable in terms of their authority.
I would also say that bias can be created in the mind of the observer. Many people in the US and Australia believe that the mainstream media has a leftwing bias, and thus do not trust it. Which came first, the irrationality or the loss of trust?
And thanks for the discussion also. 🙂
Ben Quale behind in a strong Republican seat.
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I’d like to see a lot more of these.
More here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/18/ben-quayle-poll_n_767152.html
Gillibrand Way Ahead
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and this..
http://politicalwire.com
Dems take swing at Muhammad Ali strategy to keep the House.
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Sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Combine this strategy with the Jon Stewart’s march to restore sanity and I think we have a big winner.
More here…
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/124601-dems-take-swing-at-muhammad-ali-strategy-to-keep-the-house
The View publicises The Rally to Restore Sanity. (But everyone knows their ain’t no Sanity Claus).
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That’s certainly a good start.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/arianna-discusses-third-w_b_768457.html
A Campaign mistake by Meg Whitman’s team lead this video to become an over night sensation. They left an r out of the URL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMWUYMWlEyo&feature=player_embedded
Joe Sestak Making Play For Second Turn As Comeback Kid.
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Things are certainly starting to move!
More here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/19/joe-sestak-comeback_n_768051.html
541 “Democratic-leaning polling firm PPP” They also happen to be one of the more accurate. Although research shows the closer to the election the more accurate they all become. (Sorry can’t provide the research. I read it somewhere last week).
Tight Senate Race in Wisconsin
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Another one showing the swing is on!
http://politicalwire.com
Woo hoo! Rachel Maddow rips the Looney Tunes. Things are really starting to move! MUST SEE! (I hate that term).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/39731775#39731775
Meagan MCain on the Rachel Maddow Show. On Christine O’Donnell.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/39731775#39732070
Firstdog goes into Existential Zen mode
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Despair.jpg
While Rundle has a zinger line on Christine O’Donnell. 👿
Seriously like the way Wilkie is playing his House cards. I hope he made the hypocrites squirm. On the one hand, the huge majority of parliamentarians claim to be Christians. Love thy neighbour as thyself and all that Prince of Peace routine. On the other, our rulers deploy, indeed military chaplains with polished crosses on their battle dress collars bless our troops, as they are deployed to continue the invasion and occupation of a Never Ending War.
We have degenerated into gutless South Pacific Poodles who wear a Septic dog collar and fetch and sit and rollover for Master Sep whenever the whim suits his hegemonic ego.
The Dutch recently said sayonara to the Oruzgan insanity. New Zealand, under a conservative govt. told the Seps, “No, this is not our fight”.
But the leaders of our oh so proud nation reach for and rally the Ozi-Oi-Ois. They fuel and perpetuate the myth of Supreme Sacrifice in another bullshit overseas war. Let’s not kid around, the major Party leaders have abased themselves and hold aloft their balls and ovaries in glass jars as eunuchs once did in the palaces of antiquity to affirm their obeisance to the All Powerful One.
( not historically certain about the ovaries thing, but you get the drift)
“Mr Wilkie took aim at the Government and Opposition’s argument that Australia needed to stay on in Afghanistan to stop terrorism threats.
“Ditch the dishonest terrorism rhetoric and try and sell the real reasons for our seemingly open-ended involvement in a war that has gone from bad to worse over nine years, making it one of the longest wars in Australian history.” he said.
Mr Wilkie says while he is pro-United States, Australia would be at less risk of being taken for granted if it sometimes said no.
And he questioned why other MPs were not speaking out.
“Whatever happened to some of you that now you’re so ready to sacrifice your soul for your party’s political self-interest?” he said.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/20/3043474.htm
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Mark Davis and Sally neighbour have differing opinions on the David Hicks book.
Good publicity either way. Want to read it before having my eternally humble two bob’s worth. 🙂
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Now, Ticsters, back to squiz your latest goodies.
Keith Olbermann on the Obama admin and arbitrary detention.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/?ns=msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann#39731486
I guess these are the values which we are standing side by side with America to defend.
Obama To Do ‘Daily Show’ With Jon Stewart In Advance Of Rally, Election.
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More here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/obama-to-do-daily-show-wi_n_769145.html
Didn’t see that one coming. Also I don’t see him appearing on Oprah Winfrey, David Letterman, The View and Colbert. MUCH!
Or Bill Maher.
Yay – Aaron Sorkin interviewed on The 7.30 Report tonight (The West Wing writer).
Bewdy, KL, we’ll be watching. 🙂
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Can anyone who’ll be watching Q&A next Monday (the rodent’s floggin’ its book) please submit the following on tweet.
{Could Saddam’s “human shredding machines, Mr. Speaker” also pulp fiction?}
Reckon if Groggie got a tweet up last week, then we should follow his example 🙂
Is there a “be” missing there EC?
No, gaffy, using pulp as a verb. Good to see you’re on the ball again. 🙂
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Pursuant to the Afghan fiasco, went looking for a clip from “The History Boys” where Hector talks with one of his ducklings in an empty atmospheric classroom about Thomas Hardy’s take on war. Couldn’t find a clip containing T.H.’s pearls but came across an Auden poem that fair dinkum pole-axed me. Reckon it has been worth enduring a thousand dud research links to stumble upon such a diamond.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf1klIiCdwQ&p=E31354C0D526119B&playnext=1&index=57
“The best moments in reading are when you come across something that you’d thought special to you. It’s as if a hand has come out and taken yours….”
~Alan Bennett via Hector
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45OsKkHhv90&feature=related
Pass the parcel? Yep. No worries!!
Spooks. An absolutely brilliant series. Not for the weak hearted. Don’t get too attached to anyone. The either get killed or moved on. Its very hard to watch a second time when you know someone you like is going to get killed. 5 Stars.
Here’s a clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30EG9TjP88c
Packer is buying into Channel Ten. Apparently it is under performing. Further more it is just ripe for the NBN. Don’t ask me how. That’s what they said.
So that pits Rupert Murdoch against James Packer.
DNC, On Potentially Historic Fundraising Pace, Launches New Ad Attacking Anonymous GOP Funders
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So who said the Democrats enthusiasm level was down?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/dnc-on-historic-fundraisi_n_769142.html
The Democrats also held their advertising back for October.
The Votemaster.
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http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2010/Senate/Maps/Oct20-s.html#1
Despite large lead, Dem vote choice still underperforms Democratic partisanship.
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More on this article.
http://www.latinodecisions.com
Latino Enthusiasm up again
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From the same article. Well worth putting up.
http://www.latinodecisions.com
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Yeah Chris and Kerry Stokes as well. Should be a good shitfight.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/packer-throws-down-the-gauntlet-to-kerry-stokes-20101020-16ub6.html
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EC
I will put that 553 over the fence for you for Frank C to Tweet.
Is Howard in Hansard as callin “Human shreding machines.”
Found a reference to it.
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;page=0;query=john%20howard%20%2B%20Saddams%20human%20shredding%20MACHINE;rec=2;resCount=Default
Yeah, ta gaffy. Senor Calabrese’s a mench of blogdom. Hope he has many happy years ahead but when Frankie carks it, the mob over there will have to have a whip-round to have (with his family’s consent of course) a ballot box and a keybord inscribed on his tombstone. 🙂
David could maybe supply us with the reference, (pretty please with sugar on top, Gouldie 🙂 ) but I seem to recall the vainglorious little grub addressing the lower house and with spittle flecks darting from his lips and frenzied-up to the max saying: “And, Mr. Speaker, he’s (Saddam) even got human shredding machines, Mr. Speaker.”
Pretty sure it wasn’t some kind of gonzoesque acid flashback. But it’ll get fact-checked by Monday most certainly.
According to the APH website, Howard mentioned the “human shredding machine” in his address to the nation on the 20th March 2003.
An Alan Grayson’s advertisement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUKfYnxVtME&feature=player_embedded
Cheers, Ghostie, the PM formerly known as El Rodente is gonna get tweet-pwned major, live before national viewers of Auntie 1 come Monday. Reprehensible really that someone has got to trash his errr, legacy, but as a cricket tragic so sadly spurned by the world body (ICC) I’m sure Rodent Minor will understand that somebody who isn’t a chucker has to do the stock bowling. 🙂
Democrats Running Closer In Pennsylvania, Colorado, Wisconsin
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More good news here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/sestak-and-bennet-running_n_769469.html
NAACP Takes On The Tea Parties: Report Charges Movement Has Ongoing Ties To Anti-Semites, Racists And Bigots.
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More here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/naacp-tea-parties-nationalism-racists-bigots_n_769443.html
Strickland Catches Kasich in Ohio.
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The trend continues…
http://politicalwire.com
Kirk Holds Small Edge in Illinois
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http://politicalwire.com
If There Isn’t An Enthusiasm Gap, Just Make One Up.
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More here…
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/if-there-isnt-enthusiasm-gap-just-make-one
More evidence that there is NO voter enthusiasm gap. Nevada figures.
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More here….
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/10/20/912034/-NV-Sen:-No-early-enthusiasm-gap
The Australian is waging war on NBN: Conroy
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More here…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/21/3044107.htm
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Chris
I thought Conroy was pretty good on Lateline last night and every time he talks about the NBN he makes Abbort, Turnball and the lieberals look very ordinary.
One can only read between the lines and i wonder if the OO and other MSM are doing the same.
I read that Conroy is subtlely telling them that he is the Minister for communications and if they do not start communicating some truth in their expose then he may alter the rules slightly for them.
Enemy Combatant,
I have not been able to find Howard using the phrase or term. There are a few places, such as Wikipedia, that make the claim that he used it. But they provide no reference. They do indicate that the date would have been 18 March 2003. Two Liberal members did use it on or around that date. But, as far as I can tell, John Howard did not.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/John_Howard's_speech_to_the_Australian_Parliament_-_18_March_2003
This is Howard’s speech on that date. There may be an address to the Australian people of 20 March 2003 which is the one that is meant.
http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/10052/20030821-0000/www.pm.gov.au/news/speeches/speech79.html
“This week, the Times of London detailed the use of a human shredding machine as a vehicle for putting to death critics of Saddam Hussein. This is the man, this is the apparatus of terror we are dealing with.”
Found it. I am surprised that it was so difficult to find.
Polls swing to Democrats. 10 points in one week.
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I thought that couldn’t be done?
Still 11 days to go.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/pennsylvania-senate-debat_n_770608.html
Chris B,
You cannot make the claim that they did in the article, as they are comparing a Rasmussen poll with a PPP poll. You need to compare the results from the same company. PPP last polled two months ago, which means that according to them the polls have moved around 10 points in two months. If other polling companies start showing similar swings (or at least movement in the Democratic direction) then that will give us better reason to believe that there has been a shift.
From the general polling across the nation, there has been no shift. Sure, the Democrats may pick up seats that people were not expecting them to. But so may the Republicans. The overall picture has not changed: the Democrats are going to lose the House but hold on to the Senate.
David, merci beaucoup. My imagination seems to have transposed the “human shredding machine” reference to a rat-squealing speech to the Lower House, but the the Seppophilic little warmonger definitely used the phrase.
The Flying Teapot be praised! One’s institutionalisation in a padded sleeper cell will have to wait. 🙂
Just got a call from Min who is taking her turn doing the fortnightly supermarket trawl for the few items that we still have to purchase from them. She asked if I’d like a hardcover of the Hicks book for 22 smackeroonies.
“Was the pope a Nazi?”, sez I.
“Yes darling, but he’s now running a pedophile protection racket”, sez she.
Soulbuddy 🙂
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Gaffy, also thought Conroy performed reasonably well under Tenor Tony’s inquisition, although Stephen did repeat himself when he got onto his set-piece-speak. His eye gestures were quite entertaining but he sure had that cat-with-the-canary-in-its-gob-smile when signing off.
Btw, Compardres, the 7:30 rpt. mob chopped Aaron Sorkin mid-sentence to go to a break of their interminably boring commercials. Really gave me the tom tits cos Aaron is one hell of an interesting guy. Jesus H. Christ, he was 28 years old when he began on West Wing. Anyway was really enjoying his story about how his writer mates supported him getting over his cocaine addiction before the amateurish ABC chopped him to go to commercials.
Our Man in Can-braaah sez: “The overall picture has not changed: the Democrats are going to lose the House but hold on to the Senate.”
Oui, mon ami. As Poirot would say, “please to be advised zat you are on zee money, Monsieur.”
Really dug the last episode where the femme fatale wormed her way under his skin. And the gracious manner in which she conceded when it was “dog’s balls on a canary” that the game was up.
Drilling down beneath the hagiography of Empire Lost perhaps “”Poirot” is saying:
“Sure, we English murdered our peers, but those of us who were well-bred were frightfully civilised about it.”
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Falling, out of love: an alternative take
http://www.smh.com.au/world/skydiving-lovetriangle-woman-guilty-over-parachute-sabotage-20101021-16uiw.html
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Casper has a link to his speech with it in at 568.
The reference tyo it is about half way down page 3.
Two other LNP are recorded in hansard raving about it as well.
There was a third hansard reference but i could not open it.
I haven’t been too focussed on Obi’s demise ( to be honest i find it too depressing), but I also wonder whether the best thing that could happen is that the Repugs slam home in the mid-terms, giving Americans 2 years to recognise thier foolishness in even considering Teabaggers as a legitimate alternative government…
or is that too optimistic?
Bewdy, gaffy. Now to sprinkle the rodent back with some of his own poison.
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The spooksters from ASIO are still banging on about the threat of:
Gee willikers, here’s Spookmeistre One justifying the massive increase in funding that has surged their way since Howard’s day. Major Party bipartinship on this issue remains. If we don’t love our freedom we’re so totally with the terrorists, see. Question the ott approch and you might as well just be a terrorist.
“In a rare public speech, ASIO director-general David Irvine said the terrorism threat is real and it is directed at Australian interests and people.
“ASIO and its partners at this very time are investigating hundreds of counter-terrorism matters,” he said.”
Check out this “HOME-GROWN TERRORISM” bullshit that has also been used to justify even greater scrutiny of decent citizens in places like Singapore as well as here in Oz. Former ASIO chief spook, Paul O’Sullivan, dealt the same “HOME-GROWN TERRORISM” tosh at his sparse public utterances after Howard elevated him to become antipodean “M”.
“Professor Clive Williams, from the Centre for Policing Intelligence and Counter-terrorism at Macquarie University, says .
“The concern really is more HOME-GROWN PEOPLE going overseas, getting some training, coming back and doing something; I think that’s the major concern.
(“home-grown people”, that’s us folks, we’re our own worst enemy and need to be closely surveilled at all times so that our freedom can be adequately protected)
“Professor Williams says cooperation between government agencies is important, but community support is just as crucial as strong intelligence networks to stop the threat of HOME-GROWN TERRORISM.”
Fair fucken dinkum, Prof. Williams is a dead-set genius. Doesn’t he realise the more that HOME-GROWN PEOPLE (that’s us folks) are treated as suspected terrorists the more likely we will be to “cooperate” fully with authorities who suspect them?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/21/3044614.htm
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Yeah it’s depressing orright, Jen. Been also thinking along your lines that a mid-term drubbing might spark Obi and the Demsters to do more to deliver on a few more of the 2008 promises. But, now I’m not sure.
With the torrent of emotionally charged bile that is spewed daily from the MSM, it’s a tall ask to expect systematically dumbed-down Americans to engage their rational side before voting two years hence. Only a relatively small number of people watch Colbert, Stewart, Maddow, Maher, Goodman etc. Sad but true.
Here in Oz, the latest polls are 50/50. Piece of piss for Murdoch’s myrmidons to turn the tory’s way amidst the media noise and hate-filled sloganeering of a full on campaign. Let’s hope that Australian bus drivers are particularly attentive with respect of wayward politician pedestrians over the current term. 🙂
“The Myrmidons of Greek myth were known for their loyalty to their leaders, so that in pre-industrial Europe the word “myrmidon” carried many of the same connotations that “robot” does today. Myrmidon later came to mean “hired ruffian” (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) or “a loyal follower, especially one who executes orders without question, protest, or pity – unquestioning followers.” (Dictionary.com).” wiki.
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The sooner Australia relieves the mother country of its Sopwith Camels, the more solid our national security will become. Clarke and Dawe did the business again tonight.
These blokes could take the biscuit out of a cookie jar
Jerry Brown is out with a devastating new ad that shows Meg Whitman and Arnold Schwarzenegger are, word for word, offering the same kind of failed policies and solutions for California’s problems.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/jerry-browns-devastating-new-ad
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Sadly Jen, I’d have to agree with you. The amazing ability of the vast, under-educated bulk of our US cousins, to vote against their own best interests is deeply depressing. 🙁
Meanwhile….The dog has his own take on whistle blowers. 🙂
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/PRNightmare.jpg
Plus a bit of fun here.
http://politicalowl.blogspot.com/2010/10/out-of-jail-and-into-print-black-on.html?spref=tw
Rachel Maddow at her brilliant best. Video.
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http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-gop-southern-strategy-resurr
Chris, that’s a very effective ad to run in Gropinator’s Kah-lee-for-nee-ah. Now if only Jerry can get Linda Ronstadt to do a nifty ten second telly jingle he’s be a shoo in fer sure.
We love you Jerry,
Oh yes we do
You are the only one
Who’ll come through
Oh yes Jer-er-y it’s true
Oh, Jer-er-y, we love you!
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/03/30/Linda_RONSTADT.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/09/bill_clinton_jerry_brown.php&h=326&w=400&sz=55&tbnid=4zttuBt7koYGfM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djerry%2Bbrown%2Blinda%2Bronstadt&zoom=1&q=jerry+brown+linda+ronstadt&hl=en&usg=__mT8fY0wDN9qjd4u54B8wnds0jTg=&sa=X&ei=lx_ATPfyMcWPcYfXzZEM&ved=0CDAQ9QEwBg
You can not buy my love with money
Cos I never was that kind
Silver threads and golden needles
Can not mend this heart of mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BifFedbcHzE&feature=related
“Political activism
Major criticism and praise involving Ronstadt’s politics arose during a July 17, 2004 performance at the Aladdin Theatre for the Performing Arts in Las Vegas. Toward the end of her performance, as she had done across the country, Ronstadt spoke to the audience, praising Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore’s documentary film about the Iraq War, and dedicated the song “Desperado” to Moore.[35] Accounts say the crowd’s initial reaction was mixed, with “half the crowd heartily applauding her praise for Moore, (and) the other half booing”.[35] Following the concert, news accounts reported that Ronstadt was “evicted” from the hotel premises.[36] Ronstadt’s comments, as well as the reactions of some audience members and the hotel, became a topic of discussion nationwide……
Beginning in the mid-1970s, Linda Ronstadt’s private life was given major publicity. It was fueled by a relationship with then-Governor of California Jerry Brown, a Democratic presidential candidate. They shared a Newsweek magazine cover in April 1979.[155] They also made the cover of US magazine. Ronstadt and Brown took a trip to Africa which became fodder for the international press, and they made the cover of People magazine. In the mid-1980s.” wiki
Linda with Ann Savoy…..altogether now…. AAAHHHHHHhhhhhh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzdR8j2_JX8
Like this character reference from Black, paddy.
“Save for Ronald Reagan, he (The Dirty Delaware) turned on every politician he ever supported in every country where he has operated; he discarded every loyal lieutenant, two wives and countless friendly acquaintances, as if he were changing his socks.”
And Moondoggy cracked me up over the 7 y. o. who had to change schools after dobbing in the tuck-shop lady for watering down the tom sauce ….to the principal. :senorgreen:
Lots and lots of good news for the Democrats. Continuing the trend.
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More here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/21/early-voting-election-day_n_771047.html
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The Rally to Restore Sanity (Its NOT political) 😆
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More here…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/21/jon-stewart-larry-king-cnn_n_771399.html
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Must admit i had a bit of an ear for Linda.
The Votemaster. Senate Dem 50 Repug 49 tie 1
House Dem 205 Reupug 207 Ties 23
Their is a time lag in the polls. Still 12 days to go and the big finish with the rally to restore sanity. Looking MUCH better for the Democrats.
Larry King Live ~ Jon Stewart 10-20-10 pt.1 (total 35 minutes).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9MbsiNLl3o
Bump!