In geopolitical terms – the big trifecta is Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India (that’s the yellow, dark-yellow, and the grey band just to the right of Iran).
While the occasional geopolitical manoeuvres in the dark make for a great Bond movie, we have an obligation to dig a little deeper. First step on our adventure is to zoom in on the Afghan/Pakistan border where that orange band in the middle (see illustration below) is Taliban territory.
Things get more interesting when we throw in details of the ethnic, cultural, family, history, loyalty thing – and in the following map we should be cognisant of the fact that geopolitical boundaries don’t take centre stage (after all – the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan was nothing more than an arbitrary 19th century British colonial construct).
Just for reference – that big brown blob in the previous illustration is the Pashtun ethnic population. The following map drills down and identifies the principal regions at ground zero.
But lets zoom out again and factor into this equation that discussion about the relationship (and/or conflict) between Afghanistan and Pakistan that is of direct interest to their neighbour Iran (the big bugger over on the left). After all, Iran has many of the same tribal problems that face the fledgling Afghanistan administration (and an outbreak of secular testosterone in Afghanistan is a potential problem in the making for Iran). Let’s also take into account that big chunks of Afghanistan could be argued to be more properly part and parcel of Pakistan (which would go a long way towards explaining some of the accusations of Pakistan/Taliban loyalty). Equally, when we talk about Pakistan and India (the big bugger over on the right) there is the inevitable engagement of China (the really big bugger over on the far far right) as a player with more than a passing interest. And let’s not even get into the parallel universe of the Kashmir equation.
Thing is, a failed Afghanistan state creates stress for Pakistan and stress for Pakistan creates opportunity for India, an India/Pakistan conflict plays into the hands of China, and at the end of the day a bunch of nation states (US, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, and Australia) just aren’t ready for that reality just yet. But what ties this all together is that none of the players want to see a united secular solution.
And for better or worse – what if this conflict may be our best hope for peace in our time? Why? Simply because an alignment of common interests between the principal players in this equation. That the simple thing of an alignment just may be a greater good than the atrocities that have and will be committed in the sustainment of this transient moment.
Recommended Reading
Agonizing over Afghanistan
David Shribman, 31 October, 2009
Pakistan is swiftly drifting towards an all out civil war
Abdus Sattar Ghazali, 28 October, 2009
HarryH at 400
CSIRO bid to gag emissions trading scheme policy attack
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26291548-601,00.html
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OK Ecky, Melbourne cup thoughts.
I’m going with Tajodds and picking Viewed as the key.
Then throwing in alcopop, shocking, roman emperor and waringah for a bit of value, plus Allez wonder. (Just in case the lovely Michelle Payne pulls off the ultimate fairytale and becomes the first woman jockey to win the cup.)
BTW, I tend not to take trifectas in the cup, but blast away with box quinella’s.
I’ll never get rich, but scoring the quinnie on the cup will normally pay for a damn fine dinner.
As usual it’s a bloody raffle and with the exception of viewed, I’m not at all confident.
However, in race 4, acetip has picked a nice roughie. Tootsie, who’s probably worth an eachway bet and a quinella with the favourite Ortensia.
For more detail on Tajodd’s musings, you can checkout his website here.
http://tajodds.com/
Happy punting ticsters.
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Catrina
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574508141774783168.html
Oooh you did that on purpose, didn’t you Cat?
“non-neutral”???? Surely not!
I looked up the author which led me to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD0a1K830cc
While I’m sure Zelaya is hardly as pure as the driven snow…..
(I respect *your* opinions)
When it comes to Mary Anastasia O’Grady’s opinions………
I haven’t had a chance to watch this yet. But the buzz is pretty good.
Jon Stewart doing the straight media’s job for them again.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-28-2009/exclusive—anna-baltzer—mustafa-barghouti-extended-interview-pt–1
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-28-2009/exclusive—anna-baltzer—mustafa-barghouti-extended-interview-pt–2
paddy at 404
It’s a bitch – the only people who agree with my take on Honduras are far right lunies. Maybe I’m just politically confused? What I should be do is take a walk to the right, give Sarah a hug, and everything will get a lot simpler.
paddy,
Viewed got a dream rails run in the Caulfield; despite the extra weight this year he’s a dyed-in-the-wool stayer. Bit like Dorrie.
Will slip Viewed into my traditional 5 box with Mourilyan, Roman Emperor, Basaltico and Shocking.
And acting on information received…. shall have a flutter on the fourth.
This, mon ami, is the sort of OIL responsible gamblers who put a little aside each week for their habit……. can’t get enough of!!
I confess to being unashamedly one of these people.
Such Oil lubricates the kick, numbing the judgement of otherwise thrifty short-term equine investors, releasing them to cavort by the precipice of speculative folly.
Show those bloody bagmen no mercy and enjoy the party.
paddy at 405
Just updated you comment with a link to part 1 as well.
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Cat.
I’m sure it’s tough being the only sane conservative this side of the Panama Canal
The neonutters sure don’t do their case any favours by over-egging the pudding.
Hussey at 402, heard the CSIRO censorship story on ABC radio at breakfast. Gives a keen sense about where the CSIRO’s priorities lie these days. Not so many years back they were a proud and independent scientific organisation.
Overheard a couple of blokes crounched over their cuppas in a suspicious part of town who were muttering in between furtive sideways glances that the CSIRO were acting in the interests of the status quo.
Musta been Cee Tees, aaayy!?
Speaking of Panama. Mail is the Broker’s are checking out a nice piece of property for Mr Micheletti over there.
Ecky,…Mourilyan huh???…best of luck to his kindly owner Ramzan Kadyrov.
Always knew you were a sucker for an ol warlord :laughing:
HarryH at 411
Benefits of the dark side Harry.
Chris Christie Rips Off Monty Python, Troupe Threatens Suit.
continued on The Huffington Post including video….
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/chris-christie-rips-off-m_b_341598.html
Chris Christie should now be expecting, “The Spanish Inquisition”
Wonder if pulling the rug from under the Blueheelers will stiffen their backbones a tad.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Blue-Dogs-Fundraising-Plu-by-Rob-Kall-091101-403.html
Psst. Hey guys, I think she has crossed to the dark side.
I missed 413
Snap!
Harry, you bastard! Picked Mourilyan out fair and square without pausing to check who owned the well-credentialled steed and what the freakin’ owner did for a quid. Geez, dunno what to do now; morally flummoxed.
http://www.stonebrookstudio.com/images/images_bar/stranger.gif
How does a punter of good faith negotiable this moral minefield?
Does the horse know his boss is a warlord?
Should Hardcore Lefties on-course burn their winning totalizer tickets in protest?
Would Vladimir Putin back Mourilyn at the generous odds on offer?
Thanks a lot, Harry!
EC, I think with Rudd it’s a case of no need for science when god is on his side.
DVR, Once TV’s Mortal Foe, Helps Ratings.
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continued in the New York Times. You may need to be registered.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/business/media/02ratings.html?_r=1
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This will have a huge effect on the 2010 election, when people sit through the replayed election advertisements. The Democrats have a much larger demographic watching the replayed adds. Especially in swing seats. This could account for another 2 senate seats and up to 10 liberal seats in the lower house. Taking back control of the house from the Blue Dogs.
Everyone is equal on the racetrack Ecky lol
Kings,Queens, Luminaries, Thieves and paupers all take off their nametags at the turnstile….or so the old saying goes.
As a longtime punter and horse owner i’ve chatted and had a drink with people from Hawkie to Lloyd to crims of other differing vocations.
Don’t let an ol war criminal deter ya from your choice. If Rattus owned it then maybe so…..
Bet up
Shocking
Newport
Viewed
Alcopop
Kibbutz
for my Trifecta.
Roo and all his rich mates must be starting to poo their pants about their future as they get ready to sock it to Google, Huffpost etc about free agregation .
Suck it up Roo
The New York Times’ Coming Jihad Against The Huffington Post
http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=100460
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Bloody hell HarryH.
You’re a real killjoy.
As soon as I saw Ecky had picked Mourilyan….
I started praying it would figure in the placings tomorrow.
So that ……….*THEN*………. we could excoriate him for supporting a shameless dictator.
It’s all in the timing!!!
Loved your rant on previous page, Paddy! Enjoy your reasoning.
And was heartened by the Jon Stewart clip but then read somewhere…BBC website…that Brutusina is weakening on the settlements issue.
Can’t understand why the U.S. is so intimidated by Israel.
As far as votes go, Hussey, there’s something in what you say.
gaffy, maybe Obi has been brandishing his baseball bat at private White House luncheons. :devil:
Harry, does it matter if Mourylin’s owner doesn’t profit a zac if I back his nag on the TAB? Mind you, didn’t back Jeune the year he won because I didn’t like the way trainer Gai Waterhouse treated her stable staff. But this bloke Kadyrov is allegedly here according to Rag Rupe to launder blood money.
To invest or not to invest, that is the question.
Solomon and Heraclitus, Gaita and Anderson…. enlighten my grasping, avaricious, provincial soul.
What if I picked Mourilyn with my usual random ” eeney-meeney-miney-mo” selection….can I be forgiven?
Will back up with other ticksters’ tips and even chance my first ‘box quinella’.
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Paddy
When i read it, it was too delicious to pass up.
425
Ta Megan.
The Jewish political lobby in the US seems to be a fairly fearsome beast! Pollies of either persuasion defy it at their peril.
That’s probably why it took a Jewish comedian like Jon Stewart to actually have a halfway rational discussion on the issue.
But it says a lot about the state of US media, that that particular interview was considered “risky” and “daring”.
I was actually a bit disappointed and would have preferred a bit more oomph. But I guess even the cable networks are terrified of offending their sponsors.
What about Politic 101’s News aggregation?
Box trifecta is;
Roman Emporer
Shocking
Allez Wonder
Megan
I thought Paddy was trying to emulate Cud Chewer over at Possums but then i realised he was having a solid barrier trial for his Virgin and the next post on Ticster 101 (how the Irishman slaughtered the Oz bookies at Flemington).
it was a good effort though.
The Continuing Adventures of Jesus II and his fan club
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This never gets discussed except amongst us filthy hippies, but look who’s in the gang propping up this cult-leading self-proclaimed messiah (they’re all very naughty boys):
This month, the Reverend Sun Myung Moon went to Washington to introduce As a Peace-Loving Global Citizen, his autobiography that, according to the Moon-owned Washington Times, “recounts the joys and challenges, the teachable moments and the monumental experiences of his life – much of it spent as a spiritual leader”.
The newspaper reported that Moon received “congratulatory greetings” from Senator Joe Lieberman, former secretary of state Alexander Haig and former president George H W Bush, “hand-delivered by his son Neil Bush”.
How many questions has Obama had about Jeremiah Wright (let alone any black person with an opinion)?
Yet, nobody in the media ever asks someone like Joe Lieberman why he, as an orthodox Jew, kisses the ass of a man who says he’s the new Jesus?
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http://firedoglake.com
Barack Obama has kept America safe fifty-two days longer than George W Bush did, as of today, 11/01/09.
http://firedoglake.com
megan, it’s all too cruel. Those pair of larrikins are worse than Ginger Megs and Bluey Maloney on cracker night.
Havn’t been this devastated since the day I jerried that Judith Miller wasn’t just a reporter, she was also a world’s best practise stenographer. Didn’t sleep for days.
The Cup runs on the morrow yet tonight my soul is rent; it calls out for rest, but the end is not in sight.
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Ecky, Bob Brown will probably never forgive you for giving “comfort to the enemy”. But we will.
http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsNewsArt.asp?NID=160420
Seriously though…If the beast *should* get up and win tomorrow.
Then the shamed and blushing faces of the VRC committee members, will rival that fateful day, when the ultimate cur of a Kerr made his immortal drunken performance.
When it comes to punting….the rule is, back what you like and then boo like hell if you don’t like the winner’s connections or the presenter.
I still remember the howls of outrage that always accompanied Jeff Kennett’s insistence on presenting the Cox plate.
So…Fuck the dictator and fuck Jeff Kennett for old time’s sake as well.
At last, I’ve got a Google PR. It’s 2/10. (That’s not bad for a start). The best my top opposition has is 4/10. Better keep workin’ at it!
Russia’s three all-female air regiments flew more than 30,000 missions along the Eastern Front in WWII.
At home they were known as Stalin’s Falcons, but terrified German troops called them the Night Witches.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8329676.stm
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First I have heard of them. I knew the Russians had front line soldiers, but not pilots. Although it shouldn’t have surprised me. It appears Russia lead the women’s liberation movement.
OK then, gang, in view of the festiveness of the occasion and proffered punting folklore, will stick with my original selections. If Mourilyn bobs up in the placegetters, my consciece will be slaked with a cheque to an Oz Chechen community centre. Think I’ll slip ‘em a fist full of Oxfords anyhow!
Bleedin’ broadband’s on the blink again but should be able to find a comm. centre here when cyber-streamlining returns.
abc.gov.au/news/tag/human-rights/
And have a corker of Cup Day, Ticsters. Onya Melbourne, bewdy Australia!
Dede Scozzafava’s exit from a New York House race is just the latest example of the new Republican Party’s hostility to pro-choice women. Linda Hirshman on why Sarah Palin is a club of one.
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439 with a bit of luck they will drive women from the party.
Not ready to make democracy:
Afghan Runoff Election Canceled, Commission Says, Karzai Declared Victor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/afghan-runoff-election-ca_n_341882.html
Be interesting to see how these developments influence Situation Room “surge” discussions.
Enemy Combatant at 441
Initial indicators are that Obama will downplay this – focussing on one hand on the observance of the rule-of-law and the constitution, while calling for serious efforts on the reduction of corruption and development of governance institutions.
Here is a NYT report on the subject.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/world/asia/03afghan.html?_r=1&ref=world
My second box trifecta
Viewed
Shocking
Allez Wonder
I think i just heard Mary Anastasia O’Grady’s head explode.
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/3577/big-gun-us-labor-secretary-hilda-solis-heads-honduras-tuesday
Well Ecky and Megan…You’ll be glad to know that Firstdog is riding Mourilyan in today’s cup.
http://media.crikey.com.au/Media/images/091103-MelbourneCup09-66da72f7-ae2e-4be5-9c86-88cddc5e4e7c.jpg
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That was a double-bunger Harry.
Hils and Mary both going off together.
Definately lol
Oh my…what an omen trifecta.
Shocking Crime Scene……Chechan horse.
Thank God I had a saver on Shocking and didn’t back the Chechen.
I can now afford a wee drinkie and don’t have to feel guilty.
Thank God Mourilyan didn’t win!!! I don’t think the GG would have felt too comfortable handing over the cup to those “shonky connections”.
Good to se the georgous Olivia Neutron-bomb rattling the tonsils today.
And a Shocking result for this dumb ticster punter.
….and to think that ethics niggled and so deleted that flaming Chechan horse….!!
Very funny satirical video from The Onion, entitled “Victim in Fatal Car Accident Tragically not Glenn Beck”.
http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/11/accident_victim.html
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Beautiful KL
447
HarryH
Why didn’t you post that before the race. We would all be $9k better off.
451 Brilliant KL. Tears running down my face.
How sweet it is.
McCains healthcare advisor during his campaign is now bleating and could himself be running out of health care insurance coverage.
McCain Economist: GOP Will Lose Without Alternative Health Care Bill
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/mccain-economist-gop-will_n_342324.html
Poor Christopher Hitchens is not amused by Jon Stewart.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200910/satire#
Geez, I couldn’t even finish reading that Hitchens crap. The whole tone of his diatribe is that of some desperately envious pratt. It seems pretty clear he cannot stand that some comedians are capable of influence. Somehow comedy is not a sufficiently worthy pursuit. Whatever. Take another swig Christopher.
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megan
Goodness me! I think young Christopher has a secret dream to be a successful comic when he grows up.
Meanwhile….He seems mighty pissed off that others get more laughs than he does.
Judging by that particular diatribe, I guess there was more sour than whiskey in his glass.
Shoe….denfreude??
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/shoe-thrower-attacks-john-howard/story-e6freuy9-1225794050809
It’s a sad reflection on the declining standards of Britain’s elite universities, when they would even let a wanker like Howard enter the grounds…… Much less address the students.
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Katielou
I was racking my brain (what’s left of it) as to how to say exactly what you say.
Thanks, me too.
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Paddy and the shoe thrower needs to come back home and spend two years at the cricket academy.
The wanker could not even throw it hard enough so that bloke could not catch it before it reached its objective.
Very poor form.
He may have grown up in Lexies Mayo under 12vs
Here you are Christopher, you poor soul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqyIwZpr5y0
A big debate of how Obama is going at the moment. I can see both sides of the story. I would like him to be more assertive/take a leading role. Although I can also see he has got a lot done and is in a very strong position. There may be a strategy in what he is doing. It will not affect the out come of the next election. The nearest comparison that I can give to his style. Steve Bracks. We know what happened in his second election.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
Chris B @ 463
Bob Cesca, who writes on Huffington Post, has commented on his own blog about Obama’s curse of ‘not good enough’. Worth a read.
http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/11/the_curse_of_no.html
Thanks Katielou. My opinion is, in order to get more things done. Is to get more liberals elected. What hasn’t been noted is that liberals were very slow to get organised and get a leader.
Turning Ugly In NY-23: Teabagger Voter Intimidation Reported.
I just got off the phone with former state Democratic Chairwoman June O’Neill, who informed me the police had been called to at least two polling sites in St. Lawrence County due to overzealous electioneering (O’Neill called it “voter intimidation”) by Doug Hoffman supporters.
“We’ve gotten reports that people are standing there, covered with Hoffman stickers and yelling anti-choice stuff at voters,” said O’Neill, a St. Lawrence native who has been running the party’s GOTV effort for Bill Owens in NY-23.
“Apparently, there’s some woman claiming to be a commissioner,” O’Neill continued. “Commissioner of what, I don’t know. She’s from Texas, I think, and she won’t leave.”
“This is not the way we roll in the North Country.”‘
O’Neill also said she had received anecdotal reports of problems at polling sites in Gouverneur, which is Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava’s hometown. But she couldn’t immediately confirm this.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/turning-ugly-in-ny-23-voter-intimidation-reported/
Teabagger World Domination Plan Set – Charlie Crist, Look Out.
continued on Firedoglake
NY-23rd: The Failure Of Blue Dogging.
continued on Firedoglake
BREAKING: Chris Christie Declared Victor in New Jersey.
http://firedoglake.com
That will probably give the Repugs 3 out of 3. They have won Virginia and will probably win NY 23.
That will give the Repugs a new lease of life. They think they will win 2010 and win the presidency in 2012.
Armey Meets With Author Of Town Hall Harassment Strategy Memo To Plan Purge Of Moderates From GOP
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/03/armey-disruption-memo/
What if the worst possible situation arises in 2014 and the Democrats lose? With all moderates gone and only right wingnuts in charge? THAT is a horrendous proposition! No, I don’t think it will. But it is not impossible.
472 I should have emphasised HORRENDOUS!
NY-23 Watch
The early returns show Bill Owens (D) with a decent lead over Doug Hoffman (C). A win for Democrats in this race would go a long way toward changing the storyline from tonight.
http://politicalwire.com
The Democrats have picked up Charlotte Mayor.
Scoreboard here.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com
Maine
Pro gay initiative is up by 264 votes with 38% counted. If it is like Australia and small rural booths come in first, this may be a very good sign.
Chris
My quick summation of the elections tonight:
Virginia:
will always remain a Republican state unless the black vote turns out in mass. It didn’t for Creigh Deeds.
No surprise here.
New Jersey:
Corzine was seen as significantly corrupt and too close to the hated big banks.
No surprise here.
New York 23:
Far right wingnut gets defeated in a district that has been Republican for 100 years by a BlueDog who is more Republican than the original Republican candidate.
No surprise here.
New York Mayor:
Bloomberg buys another term with 100 million dollar campaign.
No surprise here.
Klaus signature completes EU treaty ratification.
http://euobserver.com/9/28932
Yes!
Uproar in Italy after Euro court rejects school crucifixes.
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continued on EU Business.
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/europe-rights-trial.19x
Chris B at 478
That is the main event for this week.
479 That’s a big blow for freedom.
480 It certainly is a big one.
It looks like I’m the only Europhile around here.
Just look at the way Rupert Murdoch and the Sun squawk over the Lisbon treaty. It must be good.
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Britain betrayed as hated EU treaty becomes law.
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THE last hope of blocking a new European constitution was snuffed out last night – the final kick in the teeth after Labour’s betrayal of Britain.
The Czech Republic became the last EU nation to sign the Lisbon Treaty, which will now become law.
Gordon Brown’s Labour broke a promise to give 60million Britons a say on it.
Now it’s too late as we are dragged screaming into a vastly more powerful European Union yesterday.
The last remaining opposition to the new EU constitution ended when Czech president Vaclav Klaus was forced to sign the Lisbon Treaty.
His reluctant endorsement meant the document has been ratified by all 27 EU states and will become as good as LAW on December 1.
Gordon Brown – a key element of a Labour Government that reneged on its promise to hold a referendum on the treaty – hailed the move as “an important and historic step for all of Europe”.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2712808.ece#ixzz0VreYl8Qn
Breaking News
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AC/DC replaces The Wiggles as highest-earning local entertainers
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26304412-601,00.html
HarryH @ 477
I think the NY 23 win for the Dems (assuming the numbers continue to hold as they are) is a big deal. Democrats haven’t won that race since the Civil War.
Community TV relief on digital switch.
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continued on ABC News
The goes the Fair Go Kev sign from the community stations logo’s.
477 Spot on HarryH. No big deal. But that’s not the way the Repugs and Fox will play it. The Repugs thought everything was fine when Bobby Jindal won Loiusanna. The world was turning. The Repugs will be back in 2006! Not!
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Yeah KatieLou, i agree historically it is a big deal…i mentioned they haven’t won it for 100 years. But taking into consideration the specifics of this race , i don’t think the result is a surprise.
The RNCC nominated a candidate that would win as usual.
The wingnuts then imposed a wingnut.
The original candidate then endorsed the Democrat.
The Democrat is a Blue Bluedog. He is said to be more Republican than the original Republican.
To me….the 4 main results tonight were pretty predictable.
HarryH at 489
I figure this is the most interesting event of the lot in terms of the election results. On one hand we have the Palin Factor and the far right sucking the wind out of the sails of the selection committee – but the success will leave a bitter taste in the mouths of a lot of conservatives. What will be interesting to watch is the way this plays out in the media. I’m guessing the Fox etc. will play the referendum on Obama (but I doubt this will have any impact), while the left will play the disintegration-of-the-GOP card (and I’m hoping this angle gets attention because at the end of the day the GOP needs to get its house together and the worst case scenario is that they do it with a far right base).
Huffington Post presenting a series of images dealing with evictions of Palestinians from homes in Jerusalem by Israeli settlers.
Not a good look for the Israeli Government.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/jewish-settlers-force-way_n_343992.html
490 Catrina “They need to get there house in order” But not too soon. I want the Democrats to have a good shot at doing a good job. Before lots of pressure comes on.
Gay marriage referendum defeated 47% to 53% in Maine.
For all you connoisseurs out there – this picture does not do the Prague Castle justice. If you step outside those doors your notions of fantasy versus reality will take a seriously and irreversible jolt.
The New York Times has a report on the Treaty of Lisbon, signed in said castle.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/world/europe/04europe.html
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FFS Catrina,!! What are those bastards doing in my dining room?
I’ve got guests coming for dinner in an hour.
They can sign their bloody treaties in the outhouse like all the other freeloaders and take those bloody photographers with them!!
The nerve of some people.
ROTFLOL
493
Sheesh! C.B.
Americans and gay rights is as depressing as K.Rudd and asylum seekers.
I guess electing a black president has used up all their “liberal” juice for this century.
paddy at 495
Don’t worry paddy – I’ve just moved them to the cellar.
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Thanks Cat. I just hope they turn off the lights when they leave.
Also on our American cousins.
Nate Silver does his usual quick summary and take on the results.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/what-happened-and-why.html
493 Chris B – anti gay rights referendum carried.